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Reporter flying a cpr jet departing pwk climbing and turning in a 28 degree bank was asked by tower to tighten his turn to avoid ord TCA and ord departure pattern. Reporter protests.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 160871 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199010 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : pwk |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : pwk |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 9300 flight time type : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 160871 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
On departure from pwk runway 16 at pwk 3 departure was issued. I flew the procedure with a right turn after takeoff as soon as possible with a 28 degree bank at 145 TAS to stay within the ord 345 degree right. Pwk tower asked that we 'tighten up' our turn. The procedure, I feel, should not be issued for turbo jet aircraft since it compromises safety with a tight turn at low altitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: REPORTER FLYING A CPR JET DEPARTING PWK CLIMBING AND TURNING IN A 28 DEGREE BANK WAS ASKED BY TWR TO TIGHTEN HIS TURN TO AVOID ORD TCA AND ORD DEP PATTERN. REPORTER PROTESTS.
Narrative: ON DEP FROM PWK RWY 16 AT PWK 3 DEP WAS ISSUED. I FLEW THE PROC WITH A RIGHT TURN AFTER TKOF ASAP WITH A 28 DEG BANK AT 145 TAS TO STAY WITHIN THE ORD 345 DEG R. PWK TWR ASKED THAT WE 'TIGHTEN UP' OUR TURN. THE PROC, I FEEL, SHOULD NOT BE ISSUED FOR TURBO JET ACFT SINCE IT COMPROMISES SAFETY WITH A TIGHT TURN AT LOW ALT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.