<< >> NASA ASRS Report 155672, August 1990

Air carrier medium large transport flight crew experiences track deviation and alleged speed deviation on loop 8 departure from lax.

Attributes
ACN	155672
Time
Date	199008
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : lax
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure other departure sid : sid
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 1800
ASRS Report	155672
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Departing lax early morning on the loop 8 departure, we were cleared to turn to lax and meet all altitude restrictions. We started a slow turn around to ensure crossing lax at or above 1000'. Out of 10000', shortly before lax we accelerated per our climb schedule. About that time the controller stated we were wide (he stated 10 mi our DME said 8) and asked if we were at 250 KIAS. I said no, we never were told to maintain 250 KIAS. He said we were and to slow to 250 KIAS. I rechked clearance and SID and found no 250 KIAS restrictions or remain within restriction. I don't get to lax often. Maybe there are local procedures I'm unaware of. We were heavy and needed to make the restrictions.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR MLG FLT CREW EXPERIENCES TRACK DEVIATION AND ALLEGED SPEED DEVIATION ON LOOP 8 DEP FROM LAX.

Narrative: DEPARTING LAX EARLY MORNING ON THE LOOP 8 DEP, WE WERE CLRED TO TURN TO LAX AND MEET ALL ALT RESTRICTIONS. WE STARTED A SLOW TURN AROUND TO ENSURE XING LAX AT OR ABOVE 1000'. OUT OF 10000', SHORTLY BEFORE LAX WE ACCELERATED PER OUR CLB SCHEDULE. ABOUT THAT TIME THE CTLR STATED WE WERE WIDE (HE STATED 10 MI OUR DME SAID 8) AND ASKED IF WE WERE AT 250 KIAS. I SAID NO, WE NEVER WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 250 KIAS. HE SAID WE WERE AND TO SLOW TO 250 KIAS. I RECHKED CLRNC AND SID AND FOUND NO 250 KIAS RESTRICTIONS OR REMAIN WITHIN RESTRICTION. I DON'T GET TO LAX OFTEN. MAYBE THERE ARE LCL PROCS I'M UNAWARE OF. WE WERE HVY AND NEEDED TO MAKE THE RESTRICTIONS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.