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Instructor with student pilot make wrong approach at non tower airport on other than active runway. Cross intersection of runways causing critical situation with aircraft on active runway.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 148947 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199006 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : 21d |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 29 flight time total : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 148947 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : student |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 20 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Lake elmo is an uncontrolled field with a left traffic pattern. Runway 31 was the active runway. I entered left hand traffic pattern for landing on runway 31 on the upwind leg. I radioed each of my turns in the pattern on 122.8, elmo's unicom and CTAF frequency. Turning downwind, one aircraft was ahead of me and one was entering downwind behind me at a 45 degree angle. Two more aircraft were on upwind. Proper sequencing and sep was established among these 5 aircraft in the pattern for runway 31. When I turned left base for runway 31, small aircraft Y called 'lake elmo, small aircraft Y right base for runway 21.' another aircraft in elmo's pattern immediately called, 'traffic at lake elmo is left hand.' they replied, small aircraft Y is practicing a simulated engine out and will hold short.' during base and final legs I did not have small aircraft Y in sight. The last transmission I heard from small aircraft Y was his call for right base and the exchange on traffic pattern direction. I did hear small aircraft Y radio call stating he would be holding short of the intersection. I touched down approximately 100' past runway threshold with the aircraft fully slowed to just above stall speed. I was slowing down to make the first taxiway past the intersection of runways 31 and 21. I was unable to locate small aircraft Y while on the early part of my rollout. The trees between runways 31 and 21 obstruct the view between the 2 runways. I sighted small aircraft Y approximately 50' prior to the intersection. When I was passing through the intersection of runways 31 and 21 at approximately 25 mph, small aircraft Y was rolling towards me at approximately 25 mph. When small aircraft Y was abreast of me, his nose was approximately 20' away from my wing tip. Small aircraft Y rolled through the intersection just behind me. Small aircraft Y then turned left off of runway 21 to taxi towards runway 31. Someone called on the radio, 'I thought you were going to hold short.' small aircraft Y replied, 'I guess we didn't make it.' I radioed to small aircraft Y, 'aircraft using runway 21, I recommend using the active runway!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR WITH STUDENT PLT MAKE WRONG APCH AT NON TWR ARPT ON OTHER THAN ACTIVE RWY. CROSS INTERSECTION OF RWYS CAUSING CRITICAL SITUATION WITH ACFT ON ACTIVE RWY.
Narrative: LAKE ELMO IS AN UNCTLED FIELD WITH A L TFC PATTERN. RWY 31 WAS THE ACTIVE RWY. I ENTERED L HAND TFC PATTERN FOR LNDG ON RWY 31 ON THE UPWIND LEG. I RADIOED EACH OF MY TURNS IN THE PATTERN ON 122.8, ELMO'S UNICOM AND CTAF FREQ. TURNING DOWNWIND, ONE ACFT WAS AHEAD OF ME AND ONE WAS ENTERING DOWNWIND BEHIND ME AT A 45 DEG ANGLE. TWO MORE ACFT WERE ON UPWIND. PROPER SEQUENCING AND SEP WAS ESTABLISHED AMONG THESE 5 ACFT IN THE PATTERN FOR RWY 31. WHEN I TURNED L BASE FOR RWY 31, SMA Y CALLED 'LAKE ELMO, SMA Y R BASE FOR RWY 21.' ANOTHER ACFT IN ELMO'S PATTERN IMMEDIATELY CALLED, 'TFC AT LAKE ELMO IS L HAND.' THEY REPLIED, SMA Y IS PRACTICING A SIMULATED ENG OUT AND WILL HOLD SHORT.' DURING BASE AND FINAL LEGS I DID NOT HAVE SMA Y IN SIGHT. THE LAST XMISSION I HEARD FROM SMA Y WAS HIS CALL FOR R BASE AND THE EXCHANGE ON TFC PATTERN DIRECTION. I DID HEAR SMA Y RADIO CALL STATING HE WOULD BE HOLDING SHORT OF THE INTXN. I TOUCHED DOWN APPROX 100' PAST RWY THRESHOLD WITH THE ACFT FULLY SLOWED TO JUST ABOVE STALL SPD. I WAS SLOWING DOWN TO MAKE THE FIRST TXWY PAST THE INTXN OF RWYS 31 AND 21. I WAS UNABLE TO LOCATE SMA Y WHILE ON THE EARLY PART OF MY ROLLOUT. THE TREES BTWN RWYS 31 AND 21 OBSTRUCT THE VIEW BTWN THE 2 RWYS. I SIGHTED SMA Y APPROX 50' PRIOR TO THE INTXN. WHEN I WAS PASSING THROUGH THE INTXN OF RWYS 31 AND 21 AT APPROX 25 MPH, SMA Y WAS ROLLING TOWARDS ME AT APPROX 25 MPH. WHEN SMA Y WAS ABREAST OF ME, HIS NOSE WAS APPROX 20' AWAY FROM MY WING TIP. SMA Y ROLLED THROUGH THE INTXN JUST BEHIND ME. SMA Y THEN TURNED L OFF OF RWY 21 TO TAXI TOWARDS RWY 31. SOMEONE CALLED ON THE RADIO, 'I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO HOLD SHORT.' SMA Y REPLIED, 'I GUESS WE DIDN'T MAKE IT.' I RADIOED TO SMA Y, 'ACFT USING RWY 21, I RECOMMEND USING THE ACTIVE RWY!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.