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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 148421 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199006 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : sea |
| State Reference | WA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2800 msl bound upper : 2800 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sea tower : sea |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| ASRS Report | 148421 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Tower launched medium large transport X and medium large transport Y. Medium large transport Y was 2 mi behind medium large transport X on initial contact and at same altitude. I asked pilot if he was in clouds. Pilot replied, 'affirmative.' I turned medium large transport Y away from medium large transport X. I informed supervisor immediately. He looked at scope, called tower and said, 'runnin' a little tight, guys.' no further action taken or documented to my knowledge. I talked to tower controller later and he stated, 'you do it a hundred times and it works.' I replied, 'it almost always does,' but working at absolute minimums occasionally causes problems.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATCT LCL CTLR FAILED TO PROVIDE STANDARD SEPARATION BEWEEN 2 DEPARTING ACFT.
Narrative: TWR LAUNCHED MLG X AND MLG Y. MLG Y WAS 2 MI BEHIND MLG X ON INITIAL CONTACT AND AT SAME ALT. I ASKED PLT IF HE WAS IN CLOUDS. PLT REPLIED, 'AFFIRMATIVE.' I TURNED MLG Y AWAY FROM MLG X. I INFORMED SUPVR IMMEDIATELY. HE LOOKED AT SCOPE, CALLED TWR AND SAID, 'RUNNIN' A LITTLE TIGHT, GUYS.' NO FURTHER ACTION TAKEN OR DOCUMENTED TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I TALKED TO TWR CTLR LATER AND HE STATED, 'YOU DO IT A HUNDRED TIMES AND IT WORKS.' I REPLIED, 'IT ALMOST ALWAYS DOES,' BUT WORKING AT ABSOLUTE MINIMUMS OCCASIONALLY CAUSES PROBS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.