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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1801 To 2400|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : msp|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 3000|
msl bound upper : 3000
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : msp|
|Operator||general aviation : personal|
|Make Model Name||Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear|
|Flight Phase||descent : approach|
|Route In Use||enroute : on vectors|
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
|Qualification||pilot : private|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 25|
flight time total : 1090
flight time type : 25
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
pilot : instrument
pilot : commercial
|Anomaly||altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude|
non adherence : far
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
other flight crewa
|Resolutory Action||controller : issued new clearance|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
Asked for ILS 11R. Told impossible. Accepted visibility 11L. Told to descend to 3000', cleared to 11L and to change to tower frequency. Again heard, I thought, cleared for 11L. Frequency very busy, and when I finally was able to get on frequency, I was over airport. Encoder had failed during flight. I thought this was why then had me so high. Overheard controller tell plane behind me that I was a right downwind for 11R. I believe I questioned him re: this. I was not told to overfly the field. I thought since encoder had failed they thought I was lower. I realize now I should have questioned controller as to his intention with me. Was told to climb immediately and given heading. Feel controller should have given more instruction, and that I should have asked more questions because of confusion and amount of traffic. Had other traffic in sight. Never closer than 2500' or more to another aircraft at any time. This was vertical with me above them. I was in mn to pick up transplant patient to return him to pnc. Filed lifeguard flight plan for return trip. Possibly should have filed same on flight up to mn, but did not want to expect priority on flight up since no emergency existed. Since frequency was so busy, I hesitated to break in to ask. Will always ask questions should the occasion arise again. Feel I should have received specific instruction re: overflying field. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: reporter states that he feels this was totally a communication mixup. When he questioned the controller his response was, 'I climbed you for the approach, not to land.' this didn't clear things up a bit. Reporter had an instrument aboard, but instrument was not used to flying in TCAS and was not much help. Feels the transponder malfunction did not help much, either. Used to better treatment at dallas, so rather distressed. Amazed at different attitudes of controllers in various parts of the country.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PLT REQUESTS ILS APCH. DENIED, BUT OFFERED A VISUAL APCH ON PARALLEL RWY. VECTORED OVERHEAD THE FIELD AT 3000'. PLT CONFUSED AS TO INTENTIONS AT THIS POINT.
Narrative: ASKED FOR ILS 11R. TOLD IMPOSSIBLE. ACCEPTED VIS 11L. TOLD TO DSND TO 3000', CLRED TO 11L AND TO CHANGE TO TWR FREQ. AGAIN HEARD, I THOUGHT, CLRED FOR 11L. FREQ VERY BUSY, AND WHEN I FINALLY WAS ABLE TO GET ON FREQ, I WAS OVER ARPT. ENCODER HAD FAILED DURING FLT. I THOUGHT THIS WAS WHY THEN HAD ME SO HIGH. OVERHEARD CTLR TELL PLANE BEHIND ME THAT I WAS A RIGHT DOWNWIND FOR 11R. I BELIEVE I QUESTIONED HIM RE: THIS. I WAS NOT TOLD TO OVERFLY THE FIELD. I THOUGHT SINCE ENCODER HAD FAILED THEY THOUGHT I WAS LOWER. I REALIZE NOW I SHOULD HAVE QUESTIONED CTLR AS TO HIS INTENTION WITH ME. WAS TOLD TO CLB IMMEDIATELY AND GIVEN HDG. FEEL CTLR SHOULD HAVE GIVEN MORE INSTRUCTION, AND THAT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED MORE QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF CONFUSION AND AMOUNT OF TFC. HAD OTHER TFC IN SIGHT. NEVER CLOSER THAN 2500' OR MORE TO ANOTHER ACFT AT ANY TIME. THIS WAS VERT WITH ME ABOVE THEM. I WAS IN MN TO PICK UP TRANSPLANT PATIENT TO RETURN HIM TO PNC. FILED LIFEGUARD FLT PLAN FOR RETURN TRIP. POSSIBLY SHOULD HAVE FILED SAME ON FLT UP TO MN, BUT DID NOT WANT TO EXPECT PRIORITY ON FLT UP SINCE NO EMER EXISTED. SINCE FREQ WAS SO BUSY, I HESITATED TO BREAK IN TO ASK. WILL ALWAYS ASK QUESTIONS SHOULD THE OCCASION ARISE AGAIN. FEEL I SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION RE: OVERFLYING FIELD. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: RPTR STATES THAT HE FEELS THIS WAS TOTALLY A COM MIXUP. WHEN HE QUESTIONED THE CTLR HIS RESPONSE WAS, 'I CLBED YOU FOR THE APCH, NOT TO LAND.' THIS DIDN'T CLEAR THINGS UP A BIT. RPTR HAD AN INSTR ABOARD, BUT INSTR WAS NOT USED TO FLYING IN TCAS AND WAS NOT MUCH HELP. FEELS THE XPONDER MALFUNCTION DID NOT HELP MUCH, EITHER. USED TO BETTER TREATMENT AT DALLAS, SO RATHER DISTRESSED. AMAZED AT DIFFERENT ATTITUDES OF CTLRS IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.