Altitude deviation occurs as controller asks PIC to stop climb with too little altitude left in whic...

Attributes
ACN	143816
Time
Date	199004
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : sac airport : smf
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 9800 msl bound upper : 10400
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zoa
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure other enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain instruction : instructor oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 900
ASRS Report	143816
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

Assigned 6000', the controller asked us to 'expedite' through 5000' when we were indicating 4900' MSL. (At the time climb rate was 1700 FPM). Assigned 17000', the controller asked us to maintain 10000' when we were climbing through 9800' at 1700 FPM. He didn't seem to care that we put everything on the ceiling to comply as we overshot 10000' by 400'. In the future, I will not 'roger' a careless clearance like these and will respond 'unable'. Why doesn't the FAA see to it that these 'guys' get more 'fam' trips? Obviously, they are not dealing with reality...just numbers.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ALT DEVIATION OCCURS AS CTLR ASKS PIC TO STOP CLIMB WITH TOO LITTLE ALT LEFT IN WHICH TO COMPLY.

Narrative: ASSIGNED 6000', THE CTLR ASKED US TO 'EXPEDITE' THROUGH 5000' WHEN WE WERE INDICATING 4900' MSL. (AT THE TIME CLB RATE WAS 1700 FPM). ASSIGNED 17000', THE CTLR ASKED US TO MAINTAIN 10000' WHEN WE WERE CLBING THROUGH 9800' AT 1700 FPM. HE DIDN'T SEEM TO CARE THAT WE PUT EVERYTHING ON THE CEILING TO COMPLY AS WE OVERSHOT 10000' BY 400'. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL NOT 'ROGER' A CARELESS CLRNC LIKE THESE AND WILL RESPOND 'UNABLE'. WHY DOESN'T THE FAA SEE TO IT THAT THESE 'GUYS' GET MORE 'FAM' TRIPS? OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE NOT DEALING WITH REALITY...JUST NUMBERS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Altitude deviation occurs as controller asks PIC to stop climb with too little altitude left in which to comply.