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Air carrier large transport refused to accept stadium visual approach into dfw. Flight crew reprimanded by TRACON supervisor for not being professional.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 141430 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199004 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual departure : noise abatement enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 900 flight time type : 600 |
| ASRS Report | 141430 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 141875 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Being unfamiliar with the local landmarks in the dfw area, I would not accept a stadium visibility approach to runway 31R at dfw, but requested a visibility approach to runway 31R. TRACON asked me to call them when I landed. I did and spoke with area manager dfw TRACON. He was concerned that I wouldn't accept the stadium visibility approach (published). He maintained that it is a noise abatement procedure and must be followed precisely, or accept the consequence of being vectored to a different runway. I simply stated that I was not absolutely certain where the texas stadium, golf course and depicted bldgs were located, and my acceptance of that approach would have compromised the safety of my flight. I must know that I am flying the correct flight profile. He alluded to the fact that I was not a professional pilot if I couldn't find the depicted landmarks.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT REFUSED TO ACCEPT STADIUM VISUAL APCH INTO DFW. FLT CREW REPRIMANDED BY TRACON SUPVR FOR NOT BEING PROFESSIONAL.
Narrative: BEING UNFAMILIAR WITH THE LCL LANDMARKS IN THE DFW AREA, I WOULD NOT ACCEPT A STADIUM VIS APCH TO RWY 31R AT DFW, BUT REQUESTED A VIS APCH TO RWY 31R. TRACON ASKED ME TO CALL THEM WHEN I LANDED. I DID AND SPOKE WITH AREA MGR DFW TRACON. HE WAS CONCERNED THAT I WOULDN'T ACCEPT THE STADIUM VIS APCH (PUBLISHED). HE MAINTAINED THAT IT IS A NOISE ABATEMENT PROC AND MUST BE FOLLOWED PRECISELY, OR ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCE OF BEING VECTORED TO A DIFFERENT RWY. I SIMPLY STATED THAT I WAS NOT ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN WHERE THE TEXAS STADIUM, GOLF COURSE AND DEPICTED BLDGS WERE LOCATED, AND MY ACCEPTANCE OF THAT APCH WOULD HAVE COMPROMISED THE SAFETY OF MY FLT. I MUST KNOW THAT I AM FLYING THE CORRECT FLT PROFILE. HE ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT I WAS NOT A PROFESSIONAL PLT IF I COULDN'T FIND THE DEPICTED LANDMARKS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.