Military aircraft spill out of MOA requiring ATC action to avoid loss of separation.

Attributes
ACN	140778
Time
Date	199003
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : fay
State Reference	NC
Altitude	msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 18000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zdc
Operator	other
Make Model Name	Fighter
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	VFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : non radar
Qualification	controller : radar
Experience	controller radar : 25
ASRS Report	140778
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : radar
Qualification	controller : radar
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Military fgt X, flight of 4 fgt's in a block 7000' to FL200, spilled out of southern part of gamecock a with air carrier Y (at FL180) head on about 15 mi apart. Radar controller called fgt X on 243.0 and told him to return to area and maintain 7000' through 16000'. Fgt X was 4 mi out the southern portion of the gamecock a MOA before returning north. He then spilled out the top to 16600'. Sep was not lost. Gamecock a was designed for (type) aircraft, not fgt's. Exactly the same thing happened a few months ago. I wrote it up. It was much closer and the controller in zjc almost had a heart attack (it is their airspace and he was talking to the other air carrier flight). This area should not be used by fgt's to dogfight.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MIL ACFT SPILL OUT OF MOA REQUIRING ATC ACTION TO AVOID LOSS OF SEPARATION.

Narrative: MIL FGT X, FLT OF 4 FGT'S IN A BLOCK 7000' TO FL200, SPILLED OUT OF SOUTHERN PART OF GAMECOCK A WITH ACR Y (AT FL180) HEAD ON ABOUT 15 MI APART. RADAR CTLR CALLED FGT X ON 243.0 AND TOLD HIM TO RETURN TO AREA AND MAINTAIN 7000' THROUGH 16000'. FGT X WAS 4 MI OUT THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE GAMECOCK A MOA BEFORE RETURNING N. HE THEN SPILLED OUT THE TOP TO 16600'. SEP WAS NOT LOST. GAMECOCK A WAS DESIGNED FOR (TYPE) ACFT, NOT FGT'S. EXACTLY THE SAME THING HAPPENED A FEW MONTHS AGO. I WROTE IT UP. IT WAS MUCH CLOSER AND THE CTLR IN ZJC ALMOST HAD A HEART ATTACK (IT IS THEIR AIRSPACE AND HE WAS TALKING TO THE OTHER ACR FLT). THIS AREA SHOULD NOT BE USED BY FGT'S TO DOGFIGHT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.