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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1396299 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201610 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZSU.ARTCC |
| State Reference | PR |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Medium Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Descent |
| Route In Use | Vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Enroute Approach |
| Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
| Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 0.5 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Inflight Event / Encounter Weather / Turbulence Inflight Event / Encounter CFTT / CFIT |
Narrative:
Aircraft X was in route to stt direct to kutho for the ILS approach and descending to 2800 feet. There was a small patch of precipitation over kutho; and aircraft X requested to deviate south of it. The approach controller approved the deviation and instructed aircraft X to proceed direct jaqyy when able and advise. The approach controller then told aircraft X to descend to 2700 feet and report the field in sight for the visual approach. Aircraft X advised approach they were proceeding direct jaqyy. Approach asked if aircraft X could accept the ILS approach clearance over jaqyy? Aircraft X responded with affirmative. Approach controller cleared aircraft X 5 miles southwest of jaqyy at 2700 feet due to the minimum vectoring altitude. Aircraft X asked twice if the jaqyy crossing altitude was 2100 feet. The approach controller issued a new crossing altitude for jaqyy at 2100 feet. The aircraft landed without incident.the controller allowed the pilot to talk them into giving them a lower crossing altitude. The controller should have stated the restriction again and included the reason of the minimum vectoring altitude. If aircraft X could not accept that altitude; they would have advised and a new plan would have been made.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZSU Controller reported a miscommunication with a pilot in regard to a lower crossing altitude below the Minimum Vectoring Altitude.
Narrative: Aircraft X was in route to STT direct to KUTHO for the ILS approach and descending to 2800 feet. There was a small patch of precipitation over KUTHO; and Aircraft X requested to deviate south of it. The Approach Controller approved the deviation and instructed Aircraft X to proceed direct JAQYY when able and advise. The Approach Controller then told Aircraft X to descend to 2700 feet and report the field in sight for the Visual Approach. Aircraft X advised Approach they were proceeding direct JAQYY. Approach asked if Aircraft X could accept the ILS approach clearance over JAQYY? Aircraft X responded with affirmative. Approach controller cleared Aircraft X 5 miles southwest of JAQYY at 2700 feet due to the Minimum Vectoring Altitude. Aircraft X asked twice if the JAQYY crossing altitude was 2100 feet. The Approach controller issued a new crossing altitude for JAQYY at 2100 feet. The aircraft landed without incident.The Controller allowed the pilot to talk them into giving them a lower crossing altitude. The Controller should have stated the restriction again and included the reason of the Minimum Vectoring Altitude. If Aircraft X could not accept that altitude; they would have advised and a new plan would have been made.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.