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CFI and student on a training flight in an small aircraft enroute from cho to W00 have a close conflict with an mlt on approach into andrews AFB due to a late handoff from dca approach to andrews radar.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 136056 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199002 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : nsf airport : w00 |
| State Reference | MD |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 2000 agl bound upper : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : dca tracon : adw |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Military Transport |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : straight in approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 3 flight time total : 1792 flight time type : 1450 |
| ASRS Report | 136056 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other |
| Consequence | faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Error |
Narrative:
While on a VFR flight from cho (va) to W00 (md), washington approach/departure brought us over dca at 3500' and changed the squawk to that of andrews radar. We were instructed to descend to 2500' and contact andrews, on 119.3. We began the descent, and changed to 119.3 after acknowledging washington departure. About the time we arrived at 119.3, we were coming down to 2500', we leveled off and waited for andrews to clear the frequency. They were advising some aircraft to turn 'immediately 270 degree, repeat, left turn 270 degree.' out the left window 3/4-1/2 mi (9:30-10 O'clock position) was an mlt on final approach. The jet began a left turn (360 degree) and I immediately began a descent. I leveled off at 2000' and passed 500' below the jet 10-15 seconds later. I believe a lack of coordination between the dca controller and the andrews controller led to this incident. I was vectored into and across the final approach path at andrews by the washington departure controller. I contacted andrews AFB and requested the supervisor of the radar room. He indicated that he had been on duty and was aware of the incident. He confirmed that the problem was a coordination problem. Dca turned us over to andrews late and as a result, the mlt was turned.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CFI AND STUDENT ON A TRAINING FLT IN AN SMA ENROUTE FROM CHO TO W00 HAVE A CLOSE CONFLICT WITH AN MLT ON APCH INTO ANDREWS AFB DUE TO A LATE HANDOFF FROM DCA APCH TO ANDREWS RADAR.
Narrative: WHILE ON A VFR FLT FROM CHO (VA) TO W00 (MD), WASHINGTON APCH/DEP BROUGHT US OVER DCA AT 3500' AND CHANGED THE SQUAWK TO THAT OF ANDREWS RADAR. WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO DSND TO 2500' AND CONTACT ANDREWS, ON 119.3. WE BEGAN THE DSCNT, AND CHANGED TO 119.3 AFTER ACKNOWLEDGING WASHINGTON DEP. ABOUT THE TIME WE ARRIVED AT 119.3, WE WERE COMING DOWN TO 2500', WE LEVELED OFF AND WAITED FOR ANDREWS TO CLEAR THE FREQ. THEY WERE ADVISING SOME ACFT TO TURN 'IMMEDIATELY 270 DEG, REPEAT, LEFT TURN 270 DEG.' OUT THE LEFT WINDOW 3/4-1/2 MI (9:30-10 O'CLOCK POSITION) WAS AN MLT ON FINAL APCH. THE JET BEGAN A LEFT TURN (360 DEG) AND I IMMEDIATELY BEGAN A DSCNT. I LEVELED OFF AT 2000' AND PASSED 500' BELOW THE JET 10-15 SECS LATER. I BELIEVE A LACK OF COORD BETWEEN THE DCA CTLR AND THE ANDREWS CTLR LED TO THIS INCIDENT. I WAS VECTORED INTO AND ACROSS THE FINAL APCH PATH AT ANDREWS BY THE WASHINGTON DEP CTLR. I CONTACTED ANDREWS AFB AND REQUESTED THE SUPVR OF THE RADAR ROOM. HE INDICATED THAT HE HAD BEEN ON DUTY AND WAS AWARE OF THE INCIDENT. HE CONFIRMED THAT THE PROBLEM WAS A COORD PROBLEM. DCA TURNED US OVER TO ANDREWS LATE AND AS A RESULT, THE MLT WAS TURNED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.