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First officer questions captain's judgement of what determines an icy runway and the associated g-w V1 corrections.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 135445 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199001 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : guc |
| State Reference | CO |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 6178 flight time type : 4060 |
| ASRS Report | 135445 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
We took off with some melting packed snow on the runway west/O taking a weight reduction and V1 correction, the operating manual requires a weight reduction and V1 correction for icy runway. There is confusion over the definition of 'icy' runway. A total of 3 capts were looking at the same runway while we were there. One of the capts was going to take the weight reduction, the other 2 were not. We need a good definition of what 'icy runway' is.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FO QUESTIONS CAPT'S JUDGEMENT OF WHAT DETERMINES AN ICY RWY AND THE ASSOCIATED G-W V1 CORRECTIONS.
Narrative: WE TOOK OFF WITH SOME MELTING PACKED SNOW ON THE RWY W/O TAKING A WEIGHT REDUCTION AND V1 CORRECTION, THE OPERATING MANUAL REQUIRES A WT REDUCTION AND V1 CORRECTION FOR ICY RWY. THERE IS CONFUSION OVER THE DEFINITION OF 'ICY' RWY. A TOTAL OF 3 CAPTS WERE LOOKING AT THE SAME RWY WHILE WE WERE THERE. ONE OF THE CAPTS WAS GOING TO TAKE THE WT REDUCTION, THE OTHER 2 WERE NOT. WE NEED A GOOD DEFINITION OF WHAT 'ICY RWY' IS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.