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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 134792 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199001 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : fwa |
| State Reference | IN |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 25000 msl bound upper : 29000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : zau |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 150 |
| ASRS Report | 134792 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
En route from dca to ord at FL310, controller issued us instructions to maintain FL250. I acknowledged that we were leaving FL310 to maintain FL250. A short time later we were issued a clearance to maintain FL290. I said we were at FL270 with a clearance to maintain FL250. The controller stated 'you cleared yourself to FL250.' I asked what he wanted. He stated 'maintain 270.' later that evening I received a message from our dispatcher to call him. I returned the call and he stated that the controller had reviewed the tapes and had indeed cleared us to FL250 and he wished to apologize. I believe his 'maintain 250' call was meant to be a speed reduction and not an altitude assignment. Probably omission of of 'fl' and/or 'KTS' during instructions had a lot to do with this misunderstanding.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CONFUSION BETWEEN ACR MLG FLT CREW AND ATC ABOUT CLRNC ALT.
Narrative: ENRTE FROM DCA TO ORD AT FL310, CTLR ISSUED US INSTRUCTIONS TO MAINTAIN FL250. I ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE WERE LEAVING FL310 TO MAINTAIN FL250. A SHORT TIME LATER WE WERE ISSUED A CLRNC TO MAINTAIN FL290. I SAID WE WERE AT FL270 WITH A CLRNC TO MAINTAIN FL250. THE CTLR STATED 'YOU CLRED YOURSELF TO FL250.' I ASKED WHAT HE WANTED. HE STATED 'MAINTAIN 270.' LATER THAT EVENING I RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM OUR DISPATCHER TO CALL HIM. I RETURNED THE CALL AND HE STATED THAT THE CTLR HAD REVIEWED THE TAPES AND HAD INDEED CLRED US TO FL250 AND HE WISHED TO APOLOGIZE. I BELIEVE HIS 'MAINTAIN 250' CALL WAS MEANT TO BE A SPD REDUCTION AND NOT AN ALT ASSIGNMENT. PROBABLY OMISSION OF OF 'FL' AND/OR 'KTS' DURING INSTRUCTIONS HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THIS MISUNDERSTANDING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.