Flight crew violated by FAA for flying with obsolete charts.

Attributes
ACN	132719
Time
Date	198912
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ont
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Heavy Transport, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	132719
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : assigned or threatened penalties faa : investigated
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Chart Or Publication
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Crew was cited with a violation in conjunction with outdated flight publications, specifically involving the ziggi 1 STAR to ontario int'l airport, ontario, ca. The chart that was used was dated 11/10/89, the current chart that was in effect was dated 12/1/90. For the record, the crew has no way to determine what charts are in effect because we are not provided with our our charts for personal revision. The charts are kept in the aircraft's library and are the responsibility of the airline in the upkeep and currency of its revisions from its main station hub at dayton, oh. There is no means and no description in our company operations manual of determining the currency of charts and applicable flight pubs. In addition, there is no means to determine, from the commercial charts used, if the record of revisions contains the current revision and whether these revisions have been entered responsibly. It is therefore the opinion of this crew member that the violation of far 121.549 from the ontario FSDO to be illogical and invalid and irresponsible on the part of the FAA.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLT CREW VIOLATED BY FAA FOR FLYING WITH OBSOLETE CHARTS.

Narrative: CREW WAS CITED WITH A VIOLATION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUTDATED FLT PUBLICATIONS, SPECIFICALLY INVOLVING THE ZIGGI 1 STAR TO ONTARIO INT'L ARPT, ONTARIO, CA. THE CHART THAT WAS USED WAS DATED 11/10/89, THE CURRENT CHART THAT WAS IN EFFECT WAS DATED 12/1/90. FOR THE RECORD, THE CREW HAS NO WAY TO DETERMINE WHAT CHARTS ARE IN EFFECT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT PROVIDED WITH OUR OUR CHARTS FOR PERSONAL REVISION. THE CHARTS ARE KEPT IN THE ACFT'S LIBRARY AND ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AIRLINE IN THE UPKEEP AND CURRENCY OF ITS REVISIONS FROM ITS MAIN STATION HUB AT DAYTON, OH. THERE IS NO MEANS AND NO DESCRIPTION IN OUR COMPANY OPS MANUAL OF DETERMINING THE CURRENCY OF CHARTS AND APPLICABLE FLT PUBS. IN ADDITION, THERE IS NO MEANS TO DETERMINE, FROM THE COMMERCIAL CHARTS USED, IF THE RECORD OF REVISIONS CONTAINS THE CURRENT REVISION AND WHETHER THESE REVISIONS HAVE BEEN ENTERED RESPONSIBLY. IT IS THEREFORE THE OPINION OF THIS CREW MEMBER THAT THE VIOLATION OF FAR 121.549 FROM THE ONTARIO FSDO TO BE ILLOGICAL AND INVALID AND IRRESPONSIBLE ON THE PART OF THE FAA.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.