Air carrier medium large transport overshot amended clearance altitude assignment because it was giv...

Attributes
ACN	131423
Time
Date	198912
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : dqn airport : cvg
State Reference	OH
Altitude	msl bound lower : 21000 msl bound upper : 21800
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zid
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other
Route In Use	enroute airway : zid
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 1500
ASRS Report	131423
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Inter Facility Coordination Failure

Narrative:

During climb out from cvg, ZID cleared us to FL230. This clearance was subsequently amended to maintain FL220. We were then given a frequency change to 134.8. The new controller directed us to maintain FL210. I replied that we were unable to comply as we were already through FL210. The controller replied, 'then descend and maintain FL210, traffic 11 O'clock at FL220.' we were at a high rate of climb due to low OAT and light gross weight. As a result, altitude reached 21800' before the captain was able to push nose over and begin descent. Contributing factors: 1) poor coordination between sectors at ZID. 2) high climb rate due to very cold temperatures, unusual for this early in winter. 3) controllers not trained in aerodynamics/flight characteristics of turbo jet aircraft.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR MLG OVERSHOT AMENDED CLRNC ALT ASSIGNMENT BECAUSE IT WAS GIVEN LATE.

Narrative: DURING CLBOUT FROM CVG, ZID CLRED US TO FL230. THIS CLRNC WAS SUBSEQUENTLY AMENDED TO MAINTAIN FL220. WE WERE THEN GIVEN A FREQ CHANGE TO 134.8. THE NEW CTLR DIRECTED US TO MAINTAIN FL210. I REPLIED THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO COMPLY AS WE WERE ALREADY THROUGH FL210. THE CTLR REPLIED, 'THEN DSND AND MAINTAIN FL210, TFC 11 O'CLOCK AT FL220.' WE WERE AT A HIGH RATE OF CLB DUE TO LOW OAT AND LIGHT GROSS WT. AS A RESULT, ALT REACHED 21800' BEFORE THE CAPT WAS ABLE TO PUSH NOSE OVER AND BEGIN DSCNT. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) POOR COORD BTWN SECTORS AT ZID. 2) HIGH CLB RATE DUE TO VERY COLD TEMPS, UNUSUAL FOR THIS EARLY IN WINTER. 3) CTLRS NOT TRAINED IN AERODYNAMICS/FLT CHARACTERISTICS OF TURBO JET ACFT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Air carrier medium large transport overshot amended clearance altitude assignment because it was given late.