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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1292446 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201509 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | DFW.Airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Widebody Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
| Route In Use | Vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Total 21000 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict NMAC Deviation - Altitude Excursion From Assigned Altitude Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Speed All Types |
| Miss Distance | Horizontal 499 Vertical 499 |
Narrative:
We were on vectors with approach control over the vicinity of frisco or the colony; kind of on a long extended base leg; for an expected ILS to 17C. Frequency 127.05. We were given clearance to descend to 5000 ft. In the descent; at roughly 6500 ft; perhaps; we got a TA and the yellow traffic indicator at 12 o'clock. We could not spot the traffic initially. At about 6000 ft still in the descent; we got the RA and the red traffic indicator at 12 o'clock; plus new flight path guidance to climb. At that point; the relief pilot identified the traffic straight ahead and said it looked to be an experimental airplane. I disconnected the automation and hand flew the airplane in accordance with the RA instructions; which directed a climb. I smoothly climbed straight ahead to about 6500 ft or 7000 ft; roughly; the captain (pilot monitoring) notified ATC of the RA; and I returned to the original altitude and airspeed once we were clear of conflict. On the ground; at the gate; the captain planned to notify dispatch. I believe we came within 500 ft of the traffic; or possibly closer; which I think was at 5500 ft at the time.when we reported the RA to the ATC controller; she said in response that she has that traffic on TCAS; or on her radar; or something to that effect. My thought was; 'then why were we on vectors descending into it?'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An air carrier crew on vectors to DFW Runway 17C and descending to 5;000 ft followed a TCAS RA from an aircraft at 5;500 ft. The aircraft was in Class B; known to ATC but not reported to the pilots prior to the TCAS alert.
Narrative: We were on vectors with Approach Control over the vicinity of Frisco or The Colony; kind of on a long extended base leg; for an expected ILS to 17C. Frequency 127.05. We were given clearance to descend to 5000 ft. In the descent; at roughly 6500 ft; perhaps; we got a TA and the yellow traffic indicator at 12 o'clock. We could not spot the traffic initially. At about 6000 ft still in the descent; we got the RA and the red traffic indicator at 12 o'clock; plus new flight path guidance to climb. At that point; the Relief Pilot identified the traffic straight ahead and said it looked to be an experimental airplane. I disconnected the automation and hand flew the airplane in accordance with the RA instructions; which directed a climb. I smoothly climbed straight ahead to about 6500 ft or 7000 ft; roughly; the Captain (pilot monitoring) notified ATC of the RA; and I returned to the original altitude and airspeed once we were Clear of Conflict. On the ground; at the gate; the captain planned to notify Dispatch. I believe we came within 500 ft of the traffic; or possibly closer; which I think was at 5500 ft at the time.When we reported the RA to the ATC Controller; she said in response that she has that traffic on TCAS; or on her radar; or something to that effect. My thought was; 'Then why were we on vectors descending into it?'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.