<< >> NASA ASRS Report 1209510, October 2014

Flight crew reports receiving final weights and V speeds for an aircraft weighing 275K while the manifest indicated a gross weight of 490K. Multiple contacts with load planning are required to straighten the problem out with the new V speeds being 30 knots higher than those initially provided.

Attributes
ACN	1209510
Time
Date	201410
Local Time Of Day	0001-0600
Place
Locale Reference	ZZZ.Airport
State Reference	US
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	Other Push Back
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Function	Pilot Not Flying First Officer
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 25 Flight Crew Total 12000 Flight Crew Type 500
Person 2
Function	Captain Pilot Flying
Qualification	Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP)
Events
Anomaly	Deviation - Procedural Weight And Balance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy

Narrative:

Taxi out our weight was 491500. We had to do a gate return to remove 2 deportees and an escort for security reasons. We came back to the gate and removed 3 pax. We waited for the final weight manifest showing 3 less pax. The new fwm came back saying we weighed 275;000 pounds. V speeds were approx 30 kts less. Captain called dispatch to fix the numbers and we got printed messages saying that the aircraft was properly balanced. This error if not caught by the crew could have resulted in a total hull loss and several deaths.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: Flight crew reports receiving final weights and V Speeds for an aircraft weighing 275K while the manifest indicated a gross weight of 490K. Multiple contacts with load planning are required to straighten the problem out with the new V Speeds being 30 knots higher than those initially provided.

Narrative: Taxi out our weight was 491500. We had to do a gate return to remove 2 deportees and an escort for security reasons. We came back to the gate and removed 3 pax. We waited for the final weight manifest showing 3 less pax. The new FWM came back saying we weighed 275;000 pounds. V speeds were approx 30 kts less. Captain called dispatch to fix the numbers and we got printed messages saying that the aircraft was properly balanced. This error if not caught by the crew could have resulted in a total hull loss and several deaths.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.