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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 120343 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198908 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : scy |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 216 flight time type : 25 |
| ASRS Report | 120343 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Clearance was T39 departure cleared to ads via V477 to leona VOR then to scurry VOR then scurry 9 arrival. Frequency was first provided by houston, then ft worth centers. The problem arose when a possible airspace encroachment occurred by an medium large transport air carrier. I responded by calling the controller and asking why I was not informed of this aircraft. The controller's response was 'where was I'. My position was directly over scurry VOR. The controller's next response was that I should be on another frequency. At this time I stated I had not heard a request for a frequency change. Additionally, I had not confirmed a change. I believe the controller believed he had passed me to another sector but in essence forgotten about my flight. Furthermore, I had received no instructions from ATC for at least 1/2 hour, or any xmissions. The solutions are not easy, but one would be a mandatory requirement to break radio silence every 15 or 30 mins if no instructions or xmissions are received by ATC. This could be the aircraft number and altitude providing a mutual verification and to remind controllers of aircraft in their sectors.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX GA-SMA ACR-MLG OVER SCY.
Narrative: CLRNC WAS T39 DEP CLRED TO ADS VIA V477 TO LEONA VOR THEN TO SCURRY VOR THEN SCURRY 9 ARR. FREQ WAS FIRST PROVIDED BY HOUSTON, THEN FT WORTH CENTERS. THE PROBLEM AROSE WHEN A POSSIBLE AIRSPACE ENCROACHMENT OCCURRED BY AN MLG AIR CARRIER. I RESPONDED BY CALLING THE CTLR AND ASKING WHY I WAS NOT INFORMED OF THIS ACFT. THE CTLR'S RESPONSE WAS 'WHERE WAS I'. MY POSITION WAS DIRECTLY OVER SCURRY VOR. THE CTLR'S NEXT RESPONSE WAS THAT I SHOULD BE ON ANOTHER FREQ. AT THIS TIME I STATED I HAD NOT HEARD A REQUEST FOR A FREQ CHANGE. ADDITIONALLY, I HAD NOT CONFIRMED A CHANGE. I BELIEVE THE CTLR BELIEVED HE HAD PASSED ME TO ANOTHER SECTOR BUT IN ESSENCE FORGOTTEN ABOUT MY FLT. FURTHERMORE, I HAD RECEIVED NO INSTRUCTIONS FROM ATC FOR AT LEAST 1/2 HR, OR ANY XMISSIONS. THE SOLUTIONS ARE NOT EASY, BUT ONE WOULD BE A MANDATORY REQUIREMENT TO BREAK RADIO SILENCE EVERY 15 OR 30 MINS IF NO INSTRUCTIONS OR XMISSIONS ARE RECEIVED BY ATC. THIS COULD BE THE ACFT NUMBER AND ALT PROVIDING A MUTUAL VERIFICATION AND TO REMIND CTLRS OF ACFT IN THEIR SECTORS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.