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Air carrier large transport pushed back onto an active taxiway without contacting ATCT ground control.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 119268 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198908 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lga |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5900 flight time type : 750 |
| ASRS Report | 119268 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | other personnel other |
| Qualification | other other : other |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Company manual said 'contact air carrier Y ramp for pushback clearance'. (We are not part of air carrier Y.) I called air carrier Y ramp. The reply was 'pushback approved, contact lga ground for taxi'. After pushback, while monitoring ground, the ground controller said 'large transport on taxiway Z, say call sign'. I gave it to him and he chewed us out for pushing back on his active taxiway. I replied that 'air carrier Y ramp had given us permission to push back'. Problem arose from poorly worded company manual.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT PUSHED BACK ONTO AN ACTIVE TXWY WITHOUT CONTACTING ATCT GND CTL.
Narrative: COMPANY MANUAL SAID 'CONTACT ACR Y RAMP FOR PUSHBACK CLRNC'. (WE ARE NOT PART OF ACR Y.) I CALLED ACR Y RAMP. THE REPLY WAS 'PUSHBACK APPROVED, CONTACT LGA GND FOR TAXI'. AFTER PUSHBACK, WHILE MONITORING GND, THE GND CTLR SAID 'LGT ON TXWY Z, SAY CALL SIGN'. I GAVE IT TO HIM AND HE CHEWED US OUT FOR PUSHING BACK ON HIS ACTIVE TXWY. I REPLIED THAT 'ACR Y RAMP HAD GIVEN US PERMISSION TO PUSH BACK'. PROBLEM AROSE FROM POORLY WORDED COMPANY MANUAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.