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Aci stops passenger loading because required number of cabin attendants are not on board. Flight crew assumed that the regulation, federal aviation regulation 121 pt 391 (3) applied on a stop where passengers remained on board in anticipation of their next stop. The variation here was that the flight number was changed and it was considered to be an originating flight.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 118662 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198908 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sat |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 7000 |
| ASRS Report | 118662 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
| Situations | |
| Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
After arriving at the gate our F/a's were scheduled to get off the aircraft. Since their replacements were not yet at the gate, one F/a remained on board and we began to board the new passenger. An FAA inspector advised me to stop boarding as I was in violation of the FARS since we didn't have 3 F/a's on board and this was a 'originating' flight (i.e., it had a new flight number). I did so until we got 2 more F/a's on board. The aci said we could have boarded with only 1 cabin attendant if it had been a through flight but the full compliment is required on an origination. This was all news to me.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACI STOPS PAX LOADING BECAUSE REQUIRED NUMBER OF CABIN ATTENDANTS ARE NOT ON BOARD. FLT CREW ASSUMED THAT THE REG, FEDERAL AVIATION REG 121 PT 391 (3) APPLIED ON A STOP WHERE PASSENGERS REMAINED ON BOARD IN ANTICIPATION OF THEIR NEXT STOP. THE VARIATION HERE WAS THAT THE FLT NUMBER WAS CHANGED AND IT WAS CONSIDERED TO BE AN ORIGINATING FLT.
Narrative: AFTER ARRIVING AT THE GATE OUR F/A'S WERE SCHEDULED TO GET OFF THE ACFT. SINCE THEIR REPLACEMENTS WERE NOT YET AT THE GATE, ONE F/A REMAINED ON BOARD AND WE BEGAN TO BOARD THE NEW PAX. AN FAA INSPECTOR ADVISED ME TO STOP BOARDING AS I WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE FARS SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE 3 F/A'S ON BOARD AND THIS WAS A 'ORIGINATING' FLT (I.E., IT HAD A NEW FLT NUMBER). I DID SO UNTIL WE GOT 2 MORE F/A'S ON BOARD. THE ACI SAID WE COULD HAVE BOARDED WITH ONLY 1 CAB IF IT HAD BEEN A THROUGH FLT BUT THE FULL COMPLIMENT IS REQUIRED ON AN ORIGINATION. THIS WAS ALL NEWS TO ME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.