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Flight crew of widebody transport refused vector into visible thunderstorm. Departure controller advised the flight to return to ord and land, change of frequency, next controller gave vectors to depart the area.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 118388 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198907 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ord |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 118388 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Below is a verbatim copy of by debrief to my company. On my radar, magenta indicates turbulence, the red indicates heavy rain. 'Shortly after takeoff from ord we requested and received a 240 degree heading to avoid a very heavy thunderstorm. This cell painted a red and magenta area that was in excess of 20 mi across. The second controller attempted several times to have us fly into the thunderstorm. We advised that we were not able to turn and fly into the WX cell. Finally this controller advised that either we turned into the thunderstorm or we would be vectored for a landing on 32L at ord. No available option was satisfactory but we accepted the turn to ord. After changing frequencys we were able to receive vectors out of the ord area. It is my opinion that the controller that attempted several times to hazard my air carrier flight does not have the mentality for any ATC job.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF WDB REFUSED VECTOR INTO VISIBLE TSTM. DEP CTLR ADVISED THE FLT TO RETURN TO ORD AND LAND, CHANGE OF FREQ, NEXT CTLR GAVE VECTORS TO DEPART THE AREA.
Narrative: BELOW IS A VERBATIM COPY OF BY DEBRIEF TO MY COMPANY. ON MY RADAR, MAGENTA INDICATES TURBULENCE, THE RED INDICATES HEAVY RAIN. 'SHORTLY AFTER TKOF FROM ORD WE REQUESTED AND RECEIVED A 240 DEG HDG TO AVOID A VERY HEAVY TSTM. THIS CELL PAINTED A RED AND MAGENTA AREA THAT WAS IN EXCESS OF 20 MI ACROSS. THE SECOND CTLR ATTEMPTED SEVERAL TIMES TO HAVE US FLY INTO THE TSTM. WE ADVISED THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO TURN AND FLY INTO THE WX CELL. FINALLY THIS CTLR ADVISED THAT EITHER WE TURNED INTO THE TSTM OR WE WOULD BE VECTORED FOR A LNDG ON 32L AT ORD. NO AVAILABLE OPTION WAS SATISFACTORY BUT WE ACCEPTED THE TURN TO ORD. AFTER CHANGING FREQS WE WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE VECTORS OUT OF THE ORD AREA. IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE CTLR THAT ATTEMPTED SEVERAL TIMES TO HAZARD MY ACR FLT DOES NOT HAVE THE MENTALITY FOR ANY ATC JOB.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.