Flight crew of medium large transport crossed filmore below profile descent altitude.

Attributes
ACN	117164
Time
Date	198907
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : fim
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 15000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zla
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival : profile descent arrival star : star
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	117164
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

We were descending to 12,000' on the sadde 4 arrival to lax. About 30 mi from fillmore VOR, we were cleared for the profile descent. The profile is identical to the sadde 4 except that it has a 15,000 minute crossing restriction at fillmore that is not on the sadde 4. We were at 14,000 crossing fillmore when center advised us of the 15,000 restriction. The 15000 minimum should be added to the sadde 4 arrival or deleted from the profile descent to have more consistency.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLT CREW OF MLG CROSSED FILMORE BELOW PROFILE DESCENT ALT.

Narrative: WE WERE DESCENDING TO 12,000' ON THE SADDE 4 ARR TO LAX. ABOUT 30 MI FROM FILLMORE VOR, WE WERE CLRED FOR THE PROFILE DESCENT. THE PROFILE IS IDENTICAL TO THE SADDE 4 EXCEPT THAT IT HAS A 15,000 MINUTE XING RESTRICTION AT FILLMORE THAT IS NOT ON THE SADDE 4. WE WERE AT 14,000 XING FILLMORE WHEN CENTER ADVISED US OF THE 15,000 RESTRICTION. THE 15000 MINIMUM SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE SADDE 4 ARR OR DELETED FROM THE PROFILE DESCENT TO HAVE MORE CONSISTENCY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.