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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : lga|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 8000|
msl bound upper : 10000
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : n90|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng|
|Flight Phase||climbout : intermediate altitude|
|Route In Use||enroute : on vectors|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 240|
flight time total : 10000
flight time type : 3000
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Anomaly||non adherence : clearance|
other anomaly other
other spatial deviation
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
other flight crewa
|Resolutory Action||none taken : anomaly accepted|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
First officer flying, on departure out of ewr, ATC switched us to ny departure. The controller (120.4) asked us to climb to unk altitude. We asked again because he came through very scratchy. He responded in an agitated and condescending tone and repeated 8000. Then every request from him following this, was in the same unprofessional tone, and attitude. We were being vectored at the time, and approximately 1 mi south of lga VOR (heading south, ese) he cleared us direct lga VOR and intercept the 055 degree right. This maneuver required approximately 110 degree heading change to intercept the airway. Just over the VOR (usually they give us a vector for the airway) we rolled into the maximum bank (30 degree) after crossing the VOR. We were unable to plan a lead off the turn because of the distance to the VOR, as well as we had not been tracking it earlier, to try to estimate a lead. Nor did we have glide slope readout on board. Approximately 30 second in the turn he said, you are now 5 mi off course. I told him we were established in the turn to intercept. He turned us over to the next controller who gave us numerous vectors, speed changes, and altitude checks. A) ny controller unprofessional attitude and intimidating manner is a threat to safety, especially to an inexperienced pilot who may not ask for a readback if in this position. B) controller knew we could not turn on the airway from that position, and I am suggesting he did it with full knowledge, just to get us, so to speak, and informed his buddies along the way about us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF MLG GIVEN LATE VECTOR FOR INTERCEPT ALLEGEDLY DRIFTED 5 MILES OFF COURSE. REPORTER PROTESTS CTLR STYLE OF CONTROLLING TRAFFIC AND BELLIGERENT ATTITUDE.
Narrative: F/O FLYING, ON DEP OUT OF EWR, ATC SWITCHED US TO NY DEP. THE CTLR (120.4) ASKED US TO CLIMB TO UNK ALT. WE ASKED AGAIN BECAUSE HE CAME THROUGH VERY SCRATCHY. HE RESPONDED IN AN AGITATED AND CONDESCENDING TONE AND REPEATED 8000. THEN EVERY REQUEST FROM HIM FOLLOWING THIS, WAS IN THE SAME UNPROFESSIONAL TONE, AND ATTITUDE. WE WERE BEING VECTORED AT THE TIME, AND APPROX 1 MI S OF LGA VOR (HDG S, ESE) HE CLRED US DIRECT LGA VOR AND INTERCEPT THE 055 DEG R. THIS MANEUVER REQUIRED APPROX 110 DEG HDG CHANGE TO INTERCEPT THE AIRWAY. JUST OVER THE VOR (USUALLY THEY GIVE US A VECTOR FOR THE AIRWAY) WE ROLLED INTO THE MAX BANK (30 DEG) AFTER XING THE VOR. WE WERE UNABLE TO PLAN A LEAD OFF THE TURN BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE TO THE VOR, AS WELL AS WE HAD NOT BEEN TRACKING IT EARLIER, TO TRY TO ESTIMATE A LEAD. NOR DID WE HAVE GLIDE SLOPE READOUT ON BOARD. APPROX 30 SEC IN THE TURN HE SAID, YOU ARE NOW 5 MI OFF COURSE. I TOLD HIM WE WERE ESTABLISHED IN THE TURN TO INTERCEPT. HE TURNED US OVER TO THE NEXT CTLR WHO GAVE US NUMEROUS VECTORS, SPEED CHANGES, AND ALT CHECKS. A) NY CTLR UNPROFESSIONAL ATTITUDE AND INTIMIDATING MANNER IS A THREAT TO SAFETY, ESPECIALLY TO AN INEXPERIENCED PLT WHO MAY NOT ASK FOR A READBACK IF IN THIS POSITION. B) CTLR KNEW WE COULD NOT TURN ON THE AIRWAY FROM THAT POSITION, AND I AM SUGGESTING HE DID IT WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE, JUST TO GET US, SO TO SPEAK, AND INFORMED HIS BUDDIES ALONG THE WAY ABOUT US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.