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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1151619 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201402 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | SCT.TRACON |
| State Reference | CA |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | S-70/UH-60 Blackhawk/Seahawk/Pavehawk/Knighthawk |
| Flight Phase | Final Approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Final Approach |
| Route In Use | Other Instrument Approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Departure |
| Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
| Experience | Air Traffic Control Radar 23 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
H60 apparently entered into the protected 'remnant' airspace behind the B757. Traffic was exchanged and reported in sight and the H60 was told to maintain visual separation from the B757; but I guess I was supposed to say caution wake turbulence. The helicopter was within the 'remnant' airspace which is supposedly defined as 2;500 ft laterally from the path of the B757. There is no way for a controller to tell where this 'remnant' exists; therefore there is no way to ensure that another aircraft remains outside of this so-called 'remnant'! Lesson learned; I'll just say 'caution wake turbulence' in every transmission! Or; give us a tool to let us know where this protected airspace exists.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Controller did not issue cautionary wake turbulence advisory to an H60 passing the wake of a B757 because the Controller had no way of determining 2;500 feet remnant airspace.
Narrative: H60 apparently entered into the protected 'Remnant' airspace behind the B757. Traffic was exchanged and reported in sight and the H60 was told to maintain visual separation from the B757; but I guess I was supposed to say caution wake turbulence. The helicopter was within the 'Remnant' airspace which is supposedly defined as 2;500 FT laterally from the path of the B757. There is no way for a controller to tell where this 'Remnant' exists; therefore there is no way to ensure that another aircraft remains outside of this so-called 'Remnant'! Lesson learned; I'll just say 'caution wake turbulence' in every transmission! Or; give us a tool to let us know where this protected airspace exists.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.