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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 108340 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198904 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody Transport |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 108340 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 800 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
ATC asked if we had traffic at 12 O'clock. I confirmed that I had traffic at that position. ATC cleared us to climb VFR and stay below that traffic. As we climbed, we spotted the widebody transport at 2 O'clock. We leveled off to pass approximately 800-1000' below the widebody transport. ATC gave improper position of the traffic and I misidented the traffic. The traffic I saw at 12 O'clock was not close enough to see the air carrier.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT PASSED UNDER TRAFFIC HE WAS FOLLOWING AFTER DEP.
Narrative: ATC ASKED IF WE HAD TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK. I CONFIRMED THAT I HAD TFC AT THAT POS. ATC CLRED US TO CLB VFR AND STAY BELOW THAT TFC. AS WE CLBED, WE SPOTTED THE WDB AT 2 O'CLOCK. WE LEVELED OFF TO PASS APPROX 800-1000' BELOW THE WDB. ATC GAVE IMPROPER POS OF THE TFC AND I MISIDENTED THE TFC. THE TFC I SAW AT 12 O'CLOCK WAS NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO SEE THE ACR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.