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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : hut|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 3000|
msl bound upper : 3000
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : hut|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng|
|Flight Phase||descent other|
|Route In Use||enroute : direct|
|Make Model Name||Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng|
|Flight Phase||climbout : intermediate altitude|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 150|
flight time total : 7000
flight time type : 920
|Affiliation||government : faa|
|Function||observation : air carrier inspector|
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Anomaly||conflict : nmac|
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
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|Resolutory Action||flight crew : took evasive action|
|Primary Problem||ATC Human Performance|
I was due north of the hut VOR at 19 DME and 4500' when I contacted hutchinson approach control. I stated my position (ie, north of the VOR) and requested direct to the VOR to execute the VOR 3 approach. Hutchinson approach control cleared me for the approach and told me to maintain VFR. I also informed them that I was descending to 3000' for the approach. 3000' is the initial approach altitude and also the traffic pattern altitude for turbine aircraft. On the way to the VOR I passed northwest of the airport and cut across the northwest boundary of the airport traffic pattern. I had cleared the area for other aircraft and saw none. Approach control did not advise me of any aircraft in the area. When I was 24.0 DME from the VOR (and still on the 360 degree right) approach said I had an light transport jet on my right side. I looked to my 4 O'clock position and there was an light transport jet very close to me. He banked right to deviate. I asked approach where did the light transport jet come from. Approach control informed me I was in tower's traffic pattern. The light transport had just taken off on runway 31 and was on a left downwind for 31. He further stated that I called in north of the airport, but came in from the northeast. I told him I called in north (360 degree right) off the VOR and was still on that radial, and that I was cleared to do that. Since the VOR is approximately 5.0 southwest of the airport, approaching it from the north would cause me to cross the airport form the northeast. He had confused my 'north of the VOR' call as 'north of the airport.' also approach control and tower situation next to each other. I find it silly that these 2 people did not talk with each other, nor did they inform me of other possible traffic. For my part, I will, from now on, approach the airport at a higher altitude and descend in the holding pattern. I do not consider myself at fault. I coordinated everything but I could have been more aware. By the way, I was conducting an FAA type ride. I was in the right seat, FAA was in the jump seat. The FAA does not feel that I was in the wrong.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX ACR-LTT UNK-LTT IN HUT ATA.
Narrative: I WAS DUE N OF THE HUT VOR AT 19 DME AND 4500' WHEN I CONTACTED HUTCHINSON APCH CTL. I STATED MY POS (IE, N OF THE VOR) AND REQUESTED DIRECT TO THE VOR TO EXECUTE THE VOR 3 APCH. HUTCHINSON APCH CTL CLRED ME FOR THE APCH AND TOLD ME TO MAINTAIN VFR. I ALSO INFORMED THEM THAT I WAS DSNDING TO 3000' FOR THE APCH. 3000' IS THE INITIAL APCH ALT AND ALSO THE TFC PATTERN ALT FOR TURBINE ACFT. ON THE WAY TO THE VOR I PASSED NW OF THE ARPT AND CUT ACROSS THE NW BOUNDARY OF THE ARPT TFC PATTERN. I HAD CLRED THE AREA FOR OTHER ACFT AND SAW NONE. APCH CTL DID NOT ADVISE ME OF ANY ACFT IN THE AREA. WHEN I WAS 24.0 DME FROM THE VOR (AND STILL ON THE 360 DEG R) APCH SAID I HAD AN LTT JET ON MY RIGHT SIDE. I LOOKED TO MY 4 O'CLOCK POS AND THERE WAS AN LTT JET VERY CLOSE TO ME. HE BANKED RIGHT TO DEVIATE. I ASKED APCH WHERE DID THE LTT JET COME FROM. APCH CTL INFORMED ME I WAS IN TWR'S TFC PATTERN. THE LTT HAD JUST TAKEN OFF ON RWY 31 AND WAS ON A LEFT DOWNWIND FOR 31. HE FURTHER STATED THAT I CALLED IN N OF THE ARPT, BUT CAME IN FROM THE NE. I TOLD HIM I CALLED IN N (360 DEG R) OFF THE VOR AND WAS STILL ON THAT RADIAL, AND THAT I WAS CLRED TO DO THAT. SINCE THE VOR IS APPROX 5.0 SW OF THE ARPT, APCHING IT FROM THE N WOULD CAUSE ME TO CROSS THE ARPT FORM THE NE. HE HAD CONFUSED MY 'N OF THE VOR' CALL AS 'N OF THE ARPT.' ALSO APCH CTL AND TWR SIT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. I FIND IT SILLY THAT THESE 2 PEOPLE DID NOT TALK WITH EACH OTHER, NOR DID THEY INFORM ME OF OTHER POSSIBLE TFC. FOR MY PART, I WILL, FROM NOW ON, APCH THE ARPT AT A HIGHER ALT AND DSND IN THE HOLDING PATTERN. I DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF AT FAULT. I COORDINATED EVERYTHING BUT I COULD HAVE BEEN MORE AWARE. BY THE WAY, I WAS CONDUCTING AN FAA TYPE RIDE. I WAS IN THE RIGHT SEAT, FAA WAS IN THE JUMP SEAT. THE FAA DOES NOT FEEL THAT I WAS IN THE WRONG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.