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Air carrier-medium large transport penetrated adjacent airspace without coordination and conflicted with a widebody transport.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 104372 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198902 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : sli |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sna |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : handoff position |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| ASRS Report | 104372 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 11400 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Error |
Narrative:
Air carrier medium large transport was holding over sxc VOR, 30 mi ssw of the sli, outside of coast TRACON's airspace. The aircraft could not land at sna because the runway lights were out again at sna. Lax was east traffic, sna north because of WX, not a normal operation. ZLA called harbor sector with 10000' and below northeast of sxc but only to 9 mi from sli, if we could work air carrier medium large transport to ont. I responded, 'yes, but run him...as if he came off lax for ont.' we did not receive the aircraft out of 15000', 14000', etc. The pilot checked in with us out of 11900' still not in our airspace. I had other coordination duties to complete and had to leave the position because of phone line tie ups. I did not hear the aircraft check in and did not hear the controller transfer the aircraft to another sector, nor did I complete coordination with the lax sector whose airspace the aircraft was heading for. I was told later the aircraft was 1.9 mi from an air carrier widebody transport.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR-MLG PENETRATED ADJACENT AIRSPACE WITHOUT COORD AND CONFLICTED WITH A WDB.
Narrative: ACR MLG WAS HOLDING OVER SXC VOR, 30 MI SSW OF THE SLI, OUTSIDE OF COAST TRACON'S AIRSPACE. THE ACFT COULD NOT LAND AT SNA BECAUSE THE RWY LIGHTS WERE OUT AGAIN AT SNA. LAX WAS E TFC, SNA N BECAUSE OF WX, NOT A NORMAL OPERATION. ZLA CALLED HARBOR SECTOR WITH 10000' AND BELOW NE OF SXC BUT ONLY TO 9 MI FROM SLI, IF WE COULD WORK ACR MLG TO ONT. I RESPONDED, 'YES, BUT RUN HIM...AS IF HE CAME OFF LAX FOR ONT.' WE DID NOT RECEIVE THE ACFT OUT OF 15000', 14000', ETC. THE PLT CHKED IN WITH US OUT OF 11900' STILL NOT IN OUR AIRSPACE. I HAD OTHER COORD DUTIES TO COMPLETE AND HAD TO LEAVE THE POS BECAUSE OF PHONE LINE TIE UPS. I DID NOT HEAR THE ACFT CHK IN AND DID NOT HEAR THE CTLR TRANSFER THE ACFT TO ANOTHER SECTOR, NOR DID I COMPLETE COORD WITH THE LAX SECTOR WHOSE AIRSPACE THE ACFT WAS HEADING FOR. I WAS TOLD LATER THE ACFT WAS 1.9 MI FROM AN ACR WDB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.