A high performance corporate jet captain refused to turn to heading 270 after takeoff from lax becau...

Narrative:

Taking off from lax original clearance was heading 250 degrees; climb to 3;000 ft vectors. Taking the runway; the controller said after departing turn to heading 270 degrees; at which point the pilot flying said; 'last time I turned before shoreline and got a nasty gram from the department of airports so I'm not turning till the shoreline.' because we were light; we were off in 3;000 ft of runway. There is still another 2 miles to the shoreline. Soon enough the controller got after us and I replied; 'the difficulty with the early turn is the airport has a problem with it.' needless to say he was not happy. The problem here is that there was a conflict between pilot flying and tower and all I had to do was advise the tower. But now I recognize that when the tower tells you to do something; do it! It is in the name of safety. I was lulled into the assumption that the pilot flying and the controller were on the same page. From now on; no assumptions and do what the controller says then question them; unless it's obviously not safe.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A high performance corporate jet Captain refused to turn to heading 270 after takeoff from LAX because the previous flight's early turn resulted in an Airport Authority letter. This departure LAX Controllers need separation and were unhappy.

Narrative: Taking off from LAX original clearance was heading 250 degrees; climb to 3;000 FT vectors. Taking the runway; the Controller said after departing turn to heading 270 degrees; at which point the pilot flying said; 'last time I turned before Shoreline and got a nasty gram from The Department of Airports so I'm not turning till the Shoreline.' Because we were light; we were off in 3;000 FT of runway. There is still another 2 miles to the Shoreline. Soon enough the Controller got after us and I replied; 'the difficulty with the early turn is the airport has a problem with it.' Needless to say he was not happy. The problem here is that there was a conflict between pilot flying and Tower and all I had to do was advise the Tower. But now I recognize that when the Tower tells you to do something; do it! It is in the name of safety. I was lulled into the assumption that the pilot flying and the Controller were on the same page. From now on; no assumptions and do what the Controller says then question them; unless it's obviously not safe.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Attributes
ACN	1010425
Time
Date	201205
Local Time Of Day	1201-1800
Place
Locale Reference	LAX.Airport
State Reference	CA
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Medium Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	Takeoff
Route In Use	Vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Function	Pilot Not Flying Captain
Qualification	Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Flight Instructor
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 125 Flight Crew Total 9000 Flight Crew Type 1500
Events
Anomaly	Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Track / Heading All Types

A high performance corporate jet captain refused to turn to heading 270 after takeoff from lax because the previous flight's early turn resulted in an airport authority letter. This departure lax controllers need separation and were unhappy.