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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 100519 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198812 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : tys |
| State Reference | TN |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 28000 msl bound upper : 28000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl tower : sjc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : j43 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 100519 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 185 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 2400 |
| ASRS Report | 100708 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were at 28000' and air carrier Y called in at 27000'. Air carrier Y thought he was cleared to 28000' and climbed to 28000'. The controller saw this and climbed us to 29000'. We were never closer than 3 miles, and there was really no problems. Callback conversation with reporter revealed following information. Has received no followup information reference incident. From conversation on frequency between ATC and air carrier Y it sounded like air carrier Y had received climb to FL280 or at least had read back FL290 west/O ATC correcting. This information not confirmed. Clarified direction of flight for both aircraft. Air carrier X RNAV wbound. Air carrier Y northbound on J43. Flight crew of X got very distinct impression that controller had made an error. Air carrier X went up to FL290 and Y went back down to FL270.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION BETWEEN TWO ACR. OPERATIONAL ERROR.
Narrative: WE WERE AT 28000' AND ACR Y CALLED IN AT 27000'. ACR Y THOUGHT HE WAS CLRED TO 28000' AND CLBED TO 28000'. THE CTLR SAW THIS AND CLBED US TO 29000'. WE WERE NEVER CLOSER THAN 3 MILES, AND THERE WAS REALLY NO PROBS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED FOLLOWING INFO. HAS RECEIVED NO FOLLOWUP INFO REF INCIDENT. FROM CONVERSATION ON FREQ BTWN ATC AND ACR Y IT SOUNDED LIKE ACR Y HAD RECEIVED CLB TO FL280 OR AT LEAST HAD READ BACK FL290 W/O ATC CORRECTING. THIS INFO NOT CONFIRMED. CLARIFIED DIRECTION OF FLT FOR BOTH ACFT. ACR X RNAV WBOUND. ACR Y NBOUND ON J43. FLT CREW OF X GOT VERY DISTINCT IMPRESSION THAT CTLR HAD MADE AN ERROR. ACR X WENT UP TO FL290 AND Y WENT BACK DOWN TO FL270.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.