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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : cou|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 2700|
msl bound upper : 3000
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : cou|
tower : cou
|Operator||general aviation : instructional|
|Make Model Name||Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear|
|Flight Phase||cruise other|
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
pilot : commercial
pilot : instrument
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 100|
flight time total : 15500
flight time type : 1050
|Function||instruction : trainee|
|Qualification||pilot : student|
|Anomaly||altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude|
non adherence : clearance
other spatial deviation
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
other flight crewa
|Resolutory Action||flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
Request for instrument clearance to VFR underneath. After long delay finally ZKC cleared to new columbia VOR, descent and maintain 3000', hold on 090 degree right, right turns 1 min # legs. Required a very rapid descent and was slightly north of VOR when passed by. Approach/tower (no radar) said, 'is that you northeast?' we confirmed, started our turn inbound, cleared to land with visual, student now flying under VFR night (underneath) back towards the airport. Student did get a little lower than I wanted him to and I had him back to altitude. Tower said, 'say altitude.' it was none of the tower's business. We were flying the plane and did not need the tower assistance. I will see that the student does right west/O his bothering the student. In the last several months ATC (both center and towers) are trying to exercise dominating trends to try to exasperate pilots so they can hope there is something they can report and create a violation and take credit for as a write up. Do we still live in the USA.? I wonder. If it really was a violation of some type, FAA considers guilty until proven innocent instead of american 'innocent until proven guilty.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA SMA HEADING DEVIATION ENTERING AHD AND EXCURSION FROM CLRNC ALT.
Narrative: REQUEST FOR INSTRUMENT CLRNC TO VFR UNDERNEATH. AFTER LONG DELAY FINALLY ZKC CLRED TO NEW COLUMBIA VOR, DSCNT AND MAINTAIN 3000', HOLD ON 090 DEG R, RIGHT TURNS 1 MIN # LEGS. REQUIRED A VERY RAPID DSCNT AND WAS SLIGHTLY N OF VOR WHEN PASSED BY. APCH/TWR (NO RADAR) SAID, 'IS THAT YOU NE?' WE CONFIRMED, STARTED OUR TURN INBND, CLRED TO LAND WITH VISUAL, STUDENT NOW FLYING UNDER VFR NIGHT (UNDERNEATH) BACK TOWARDS THE ARPT. STUDENT DID GET A LITTLE LOWER THAN I WANTED HIM TO AND I HAD HIM BACK TO ALT. TWR SAID, 'SAY ALT.' IT WAS NONE OF THE TWR'S BUSINESS. WE WERE FLYING THE PLANE AND DID NOT NEED THE TWR ASSISTANCE. I WILL SEE THAT THE STUDENT DOES RIGHT W/O HIS BOTHERING THE STUDENT. IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS ATC (BOTH CENTER AND TWRS) ARE TRYING TO EXERCISE DOMINATING TRENDS TO TRY TO EXASPERATE PLTS SO THEY CAN HOPE THERE IS SOMETHING THEY CAN RPT AND CREATE A VIOLATION AND TAKE CREDIT FOR AS A WRITE UP. DO WE STILL LIVE IN THE U.S.A.? I WONDER. IF IT REALLY WAS A VIOLATION OF SOME TYPE, FAA CONSIDERS GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT INSTEAD OF AMERICAN 'INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.