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A reporter stated that his fractional carrier is transitioning to a new flight and performance planning service for normal and abnormal mountainous departure procedures without flight crew training.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 982319 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201112 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Component | |
| Aircraft Component | FMS/FMC |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | First Officer |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Other / Unknown Inflight Event / Encounter Other / Unknown |
Narrative:
Effective immediately; mountain airport departure procedures using cessnav have been replaced with a new procedures group. In addition to significant differences in presentation of procedures and data; radical differences in navigation system setup and display; flight crew coordination and procedures are required. Ambiguities exist in the correlation of published minima with multiple alternate departure procedures. Some procedures require the low-altitude reception of low-powered; distant VOR stations in mountainous terrain. Training has indicated that training in these procedures will be accomplished at some point in the future. Apparently a decision was made that simulator training in the new procedures would not be required prior [to] implementation. An instrument departure in mountainous terrain combined with an engine failure is a much more challenging and critical maneuver than any instrument approach. I feel it necessary to express in the strongest possible terms my objection to the implementation of these new; unfamiliar procedures without thorough; realistic simulator training for both crewmembers.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A Reporter stated that his fractional carrier is transitioning to a new flight and performance planning service for normal and abnormal mountainous departure procedures without flight crew training.
Narrative: Effective immediately; Mountain Airport departure procedures using CessNav have been replaced with a new procedures group. In addition to significant differences in presentation of procedures and data; radical differences in navigation system setup and display; flight crew coordination and procedures are required. Ambiguities exist in the correlation of published minima with multiple alternate departure procedures. Some procedures require the low-altitude reception of low-powered; distant VOR stations in mountainous terrain. Training has indicated that training in these procedures will be accomplished at some point in the future. Apparently a decision was made that simulator training in the new procedures would not be required prior [to] implementation. An instrument departure in mountainous terrain combined with an engine failure is a much more challenging and critical maneuver than any instrument approach. I feel it necessary to express in the strongest possible terms my objection to the implementation of these new; unfamiliar procedures without thorough; realistic simulator training for both crewmembers.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.