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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 976874 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201110 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZZZ.ARTCC |
| State Reference | US |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Chinook (CH-47) |
| Flight Phase | Cruise |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Enroute |
| Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
Aircraft X & aircraft Y where 2 of 3 CH47's en route IFR at 050. They were radar separated and both under radar control and in trail; estimating around 8-10 miles in trail. When they got southeast of abc VOR we lost radar on aircraft Y because of limited radar coverage in the area. We advised the aircraft that radar contact was lost; advised aircraft X that he could expect the same thing and decided to climb to 070 for better radar coverage. We later picked up aircraft Y back on radar. I came in the next day; and before the end of the day my supervisor advised me that quality assurance considered what had happened as an operational error because the 2 aircraft were not 'non-radar' separated and I needed 10 minutes or 20 miles between the two the instant aircraft Y dropped off radar coverage. If this is considered an operational error; then my recommendations would be to put every single aircraft we work on that sector below 7;000 ft on a non-radar route and non-radar separated regardless if we have them on radar or not.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Enroute Controller described an alleged loss of separation event when RADAR contact was lost between two IFR helicopters that were appropriately separated prior to the RADAR loss; the facility determination indicating that non-RADAR separation was needed immediately.
Narrative: Aircraft X & Aircraft Y where 2 of 3 CH47's en route IFR at 050. They were RADAR separated and both under RADAR control and in trail; estimating around 8-10 miles in trail. When they got Southeast of ABC VOR we lost RADAR on Aircraft Y because of limited RADAR coverage in the area. We advised the aircraft that RADAR contact was lost; advised Aircraft X that he could expect the same thing and decided to climb to 070 for better RADAR coverage. We later picked up Aircraft Y back on RADAR. I came in the next day; and before the end of the day my supervisor advised me that Quality Assurance considered what had happened as an Operational Error because the 2 aircraft were not 'non-RADAR' separated and I needed 10 minutes or 20 miles between the two the instant Aircraft Y dropped off RADAR coverage. If this is considered an operational error; then my recommendations would be to put every single aircraft we work on that sector below 7;000 FT on a non-RADAR route and non-RADAR separated regardless if we have them on RADAR or not.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.