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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 972233 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201109 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZDC.ARTCC |
| State Reference | VA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Descent |
| Route In Use | STAR RASKL1 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Enroute |
| Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
| Experience | Air Traffic Control Non Radar 22 Air Traffic Control Radar 22 Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (mon) 3 Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 19 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 150 Flight Crew Type 70 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Altitude Crossing Restriction Not Met Deviation - Altitude Undershoot Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
The RASKL1 RNAV STAR has been in effect for exactly one year now; for flights into rdu. And for one year; many dozens of aircraft have ignored a verbal ATC instruction to 'cross buzzy at and maintain 11;000'. This restriction is an agreement with ZDC and rdu in their letter of agreement. Today marks at least the twelfth aircraft I have personally worked in a year that has ignored that clearance; and instead; crossed buzzy anywhere between 13;000 and 17;000 ft. I had two air carrier X flights an hour apart do this today alone. The latest was 14;500 over buzzy; when I had issued 'cross buzzy at and maintain 11;000'. Pilot correctly readback my clearance.I asked the pilot if the FMS was flying the plane. He said affirmative. I told him he was 3;500 ft high over buzzy and he said it was his error. He said that the STAR on the FMS shows only an underlined altitude at buzzy (he is correct). I told him that he had not been issued a 'descend via' clearance; so those altitudes did not apply. He apologized and no other aircraft were involved.I have to assume; since this is happening so frequently; that perhaps some pilots are not aware that unless 'descend via' is specifically given by ATC; that the altitudes on the STAR do not apply. What else could it be? This has huge safety implications; because there could have been traffic north of buzzy; which would have led to a TCAS event or other serious situation. Clearly; after a year's time; this situation has not been addressed effectively. I have personally filed four safety reports on this subject. Today; I asked that pilot to relay to the air carrier X chief pilot of the issue; since their pilots seem to violate this so often. I don't know what else I can do to fix this problem. I was hoping by now; that the STAR would have been amended to reflect a mandatory crossing of 11;000.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An ARTCC Controller and the Captain of a B737NG had differing opinions as to why an ATC issued 'at and maintain 11;000' crossing restriction at BUZZY Intersection on the RASKL RNAV STAR to RDU is frequently not complied with when flights are cleared 'FOR' the STAR but not 'VIA' the STAR.
Narrative: The RASKL1 RNAV STAR has been in effect for exactly one year now; for flights into RDU. And for one year; many dozens of aircraft have ignored a verbal ATC instruction to 'CROSS BUZZY AT AND MAINTAIN 11;000'. This restriction is an agreement with ZDC AND RDU in their Letter of Agreement. Today marks at least the twelfth aircraft I have personally worked in a year that has ignored that clearance; and instead; crossed BUZZY anywhere between 13;000 and 17;000 FT. I had two Air Carrier X flights an hour apart do this today alone. The latest was 14;500 over BUZZY; when I had issued 'CROSS BUZZY AT AND MAINTAIN 11;000'. Pilot correctly readback my clearance.I asked the pilot if the FMS was flying the plane. He said affirmative. I told him he was 3;500 FT high over BUZZY and he said it was his error. He said that the STAR on the FMS shows only an underlined altitude at BUZZY (he is correct). I told him that he had not been issued a 'descend via' clearance; so those altitudes did not apply. He apologized and no other aircraft were involved.I have to assume; since this is happening so frequently; that perhaps some pilots are not aware that unless 'descend via' is specifically given by ATC; that the altitudes on the STAR do not apply. What else could it be? This has huge safety implications; because there could have been traffic north of BUZZY; which would have led to a TCAS event or other serious situation. Clearly; after a year's time; this situation has not been addressed effectively. I have personally filed four safety reports on this subject. Today; I asked that pilot to relay to the Air Carrier X Chief Pilot of the issue; since their pilots seem to violate this so often. I don't know what else I can do to fix this problem. I was hoping by now; that the STAR would have been amended to reflect a mandatory crossing of 11;000.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.