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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : nxx|
|Altitude||agl bound lower : 500|
agl bound upper : 1000
|Controlling Facilities||tower : nxx|
tracon : n90
|Operator||general aviation : personal|
|Make Model Name||Light Transport|
|Flight Phase||cruise other|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 170|
flight time total : 18450
flight time type : 100
|Affiliation||government : faa|
|Function||observation : air carrier inspector|
|Qualification||other other : other|
|Anomaly||other anomaly other|
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : unable|
|Consequence||faa : investigated|
|Air Traffic Incident||other|
While taxiing out to the run up pad, the FAA or the air boss over the ground control frequency asked if the aircraft has passenger onboard or carried required crew only. We operate the light transport with a crew chief and our operating procedures show this and this is how I replied to the air boss. The other light transport did have people onboard but was planning on leaving the show and returning to home base after his 3 passes. This is an accepted procedure at air shows if the aircraft do no aerobatics, although I have never seen it written. He did leave the area after his 3 passes. We were not the only aircraft questioned. I met with the FAA after I landed and we discussed our operating procedures and air show policies. They indicated they were satisfied with our operating procedures but that they were going to check all aircraft at the show. I believe we operated correctly but plan to see the local GADO to check. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following. Conversation revealed the FSDO and the FAA have not come to any conclusion yet. Seems procedure has developed at air shows if no acrobatics and just fly by and then aircraft are departing, they are putting their support people onboard and leaving after fly by. Apparently recent accidents with more than just crew onboard have gotten the FAA's attention and reporter hopes they come up with decision before next spring air shows start.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: REPORTER RAISES QUESTION ABOUT LEGALITY OF PASSENGER ABOARD ACFT DURING AIR SHOW FLY BY.
Narrative: WHILE TAXIING OUT TO THE RUN UP PAD, THE FAA OR THE AIR BOSS OVER THE GND CTL FREQ ASKED IF THE ACFT HAS PAX ONBOARD OR CARRIED REQUIRED CREW ONLY. WE OPERATE THE LTT WITH A CREW CHIEF AND OUR OPERATING PROCS SHOW THIS AND THIS IS HOW I REPLIED TO THE AIR BOSS. THE OTHER LTT DID HAVE PEOPLE ONBOARD BUT WAS PLANNING ON LEAVING THE SHOW AND RETURNING TO HOME BASE AFTER HIS 3 PASSES. THIS IS AN ACCEPTED PROC AT AIR SHOWS IF THE ACFT DO NO AEROBATICS, ALTHOUGH I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT WRITTEN. HE DID LEAVE THE AREA AFTER HIS 3 PASSES. WE WERE NOT THE ONLY ACFT QUESTIONED. I MET WITH THE FAA AFTER I LANDED AND WE DISCUSSED OUR OPERATING PROCS AND AIR SHOW POLICIES. THEY INDICATED THEY WERE SATISFIED WITH OUR OPERATING PROCS BUT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CHK ALL ACFT AT THE SHOW. I BELIEVE WE OPERATED CORRECTLY BUT PLAN TO SEE THE LOCAL GADO TO CHK. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING. CONVERSATION REVEALED THE FSDO AND THE FAA HAVE NOT COME TO ANY CONCLUSION YET. SEEMS PROC HAS DEVELOPED AT AIR SHOWS IF NO ACROBATICS AND JUST FLY BY AND THEN ACFT ARE DEPARTING, THEY ARE PUTTING THEIR SUPPORT PEOPLE ONBOARD AND LEAVING AFTER FLY BY. APPARENTLY RECENT ACCIDENTS WITH MORE THAN JUST CREW ONBOARD HAVE GOTTEN THE FAA'S ATTN AND RPTR HOPES THEY COME UP WITH DECISION BEFORE NEXT SPRING AIR SHOWS START.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.