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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1801 To 2400|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : lax|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 2200|
msl bound upper : 2200
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : lax|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng|
|Navigation In Use||Other|
|Flight Phase||descent : approach|
|Route In Use||approach : visual|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 225|
flight time total : 5000
flight time type : 2000
|Anomaly||inflight encounter other|
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||flight crew : exited adverse environment|
flight crew : regained aircraft control
|Air Traffic Incident||other|
En route from san diego to lax. Lax approach called traffic at 12 O'clock, right to left, widebody transport wbound for landing 25L. We were to maintain visual sep from the widebody transport and continue for a visual approach to runway 25R. Our yaw damper was MEL'd inoperative, which causes the aircraft to wallow somewhat in the landing confign. Passing approximately 2200' MSL on a 7 mi final to runway 25R, first officer flying, the aircraft suddenly began an abrupt roll to the left and the nose pitched down. Full deflection of the yoke to the right did not arrest the left roll and for a moment it appeared the aircraft was going to roll over on its back. Suddenly the aircraft began to recover as ailerons regained effectiveness and the rest of the approach was normal until 200' MSL when wake turbulence was encountered once again, however not to the extreme as before. With a few last second corrections, the aircraft was landed normally. This is the second encounter with wake turbulence I've encountered landing on runway 25R associated with a heavy in the past 6 months. This one was too close and frankly scared the hell out of all on board. It is my observation, based on the wind readout on our FMC, that winds aloft in the vicinity of lax are usually from left to right when landing on the 25 runways which carry any wake turbulence vortices of heavy aircraft landing on runway 25L to drift over to 25R. Further, lax approach and tower seem to have little regard for wake turbulence sep of aircraft, both on approach and departure. It is my recommendation that due to local conditions, heavy aircraft should be landed on runway 25R and smaller aircraft on 25L so as to minimize wake turbulence encounters. It is just a matter of time before lax experienced a wake turbulence related incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ON VISUAL APCH MLG EXPERIENCED SEVERE WAKE TURBULENCE.
Narrative: ENRTE FROM SAN DIEGO TO LAX. LAX APCH CALLED TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK, RIGHT TO LEFT, WDB WBOUND FOR LNDG 25L. WE WERE TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEP FROM THE WDB AND CONTINUE FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 25R. OUR YAW DAMPER WAS MEL'D INOP, WHICH CAUSES THE ACFT TO WALLOW SOMEWHAT IN THE LNDG CONFIGN. PASSING APPROX 2200' MSL ON A 7 MI FINAL TO RWY 25R, F/O FLYING, THE ACFT SUDDENLY BEGAN AN ABRUPT ROLL TO THE LEFT AND THE NOSE PITCHED DOWN. FULL DEFLECTION OF THE YOKE TO THE RIGHT DID NOT ARREST THE LEFT ROLL AND FOR A MOMENT IT APPEARED THE ACFT WAS GOING TO ROLL OVER ON ITS BACK. SUDDENLY THE ACFT BEGAN TO RECOVER AS AILERONS REGAINED EFFECTIVENESS AND THE REST OF THE APCH WAS NORMAL UNTIL 200' MSL WHEN WAKE TURB WAS ENCOUNTERED ONCE AGAIN, HOWEVER NOT TO THE EXTREME AS BEFORE. WITH A FEW LAST SECOND CORRECTIONS, THE ACFT WAS LANDED NORMALLY. THIS IS THE SECOND ENCOUNTER WITH WAKE TURB I'VE ENCOUNTERED LNDG ON RWY 25R ASSOCIATED WITH A HVY IN THE PAST 6 MONTHS. THIS ONE WAS TOO CLOSE AND FRANKLY SCARED THE HELL OUT OF ALL ON BOARD. IT IS MY OBSERVATION, BASED ON THE WIND READOUT ON OUR FMC, THAT WINDS ALOFT IN THE VICINITY OF LAX ARE USUALLY FROM LEFT TO RIGHT WHEN LNDG ON THE 25 RWYS WHICH CARRY ANY WAKE TURB VORTICES OF HVY ACFT LNDG ON RWY 25L TO DRIFT OVER TO 25R. FURTHER, LAX APCH AND TWR SEEM TO HAVE LITTLE REGARD FOR WAKE TURB SEP OF ACFT, BOTH ON APCH AND DEP. IT IS MY RECOMMENDATION THAT DUE TO LCL CONDITIONS, HVY ACFT SHOULD BE LANDED ON RWY 25R AND SMALLER ACFT ON 25L SO AS TO MINIMIZE WAKE TURB ENCOUNTERS. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE LAX EXPERIENCED A WAKE TURB RELATED INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.