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|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||airport : stl|
|Altitude||agl bound lower : 0|
agl bound upper : 0
|Operator||common carrier : air taxi|
|Make Model Name||Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng|
|Flight Phase||ground : holding|
ground other : taxi
|Affiliation||company : air taxi|
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
pilot : flight engineer
pilot : commercial
pilot : instrument
pilot : atp
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 100|
flight time total : 7300
flight time type : 100
|Affiliation||government : faa|
|Function||controller : local|
|Qualification||controller : non radar|
|Anomaly||incursion : runway|
non adherence : clearance
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
I was cleared into 'position and hold' on 30R and read back the clearance to the tower. A few seconds later while taxiing into position at the approach end of the runway, the tower asked 'are you with me?' my reply was 'affirmative, position and hold.' the tower then cleared another aircraft into position approximately 2000' down the runway (from an intersection). That aircraft was cleared for takeoff and another aircraft was cleared to land on 30R. The tower's next transmission was for me to 'hold short'. I wasted no time exiting the runway and advised the tower I was cleared into position but understood now to hold short. Without further comment I was cleared for takeoff after the landing traffic. The tower may have been aware of my position on the runway and simply ran out of time to clear me for takeoff. But because of the clearance to 'hold short' rather than to taxi clear of the runway and hold short, I'm not sure the tower was aware of the fact that I was in position on the runway. The tower obviously did not hear my acknowledgement of the initial clearance to 'position and hold' and I don't know if they heard my reply when asked 'are you with me?' the tower controller was very busy so I didn't discuss this question with him.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COPIED CLRNC AND READBACK, 'CLEARED INTO POSITION AND HOLD'. TRANSMISSION MEANT FOR ANOTHER ACFT.
Narrative: I WAS CLRED INTO 'POSITION AND HOLD' ON 30R AND READ BACK THE CLRNC TO THE TWR. A FEW SECONDS LATER WHILE TAXIING INTO POSITION AT THE APCH END OF THE RWY, THE TWR ASKED 'ARE YOU WITH ME?' MY REPLY WAS 'AFFIRMATIVE, POSITION AND HOLD.' THE TWR THEN CLRED ANOTHER ACFT INTO POSITION APPROX 2000' DOWN THE RWY (FROM AN INTERSECTION). THAT ACFT WAS CLRED FOR TKOF AND ANOTHER ACFT WAS CLRED TO LAND ON 30R. THE TWR'S NEXT XMISSION WAS FOR ME TO 'HOLD SHORT'. I WASTED NO TIME EXITING THE RWY AND ADVISED THE TWR I WAS CLRED INTO POSITION BUT UNDERSTOOD NOW TO HOLD SHORT. WITHOUT FURTHER COMMENT I WAS CLRED FOR TKOF AFTER THE LNDG TFC. THE TWR MAY HAVE BEEN AWARE OF MY POSITION ON THE RWY AND SIMPLY RAN OUT OF TIME TO CLEAR ME FOR TKOF. BUT BECAUSE OF THE CLRNC TO 'HOLD SHORT' RATHER THAN TO TAXI CLEAR OF THE RWY AND HOLD SHORT, I'M NOT SURE THE TWR WAS AWARE OF THE FACT THAT I WAS IN POSITION ON THE RWY. THE TWR OBVIOUSLY DID NOT HEAR MY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE INITIAL CLRNC TO 'POSITION AND HOLD' AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HEARD MY REPLY WHEN ASKED 'ARE YOU WITH ME?' THE TWR CTLR WAS VERY BUSY SO I DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS QUESTION WITH HIM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.