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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : phx|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 2000|
msl bound upper : 2000
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : phx|
|Operator||general aviation : personal|
|Make Model Name||Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear|
|Flight Phase||cruise other|
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
|Qualification||pilot : private|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 50|
flight time total : 100
|Affiliation||government : faa|
|Function||controller : approach|
|Qualification||controller : radar|
|Anomaly||other anomaly other|
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
|Air Traffic Incident||other|
I was flying my small aircraft just southeast of phx in 6/88 at approximately XXX local time and had made initial contact with phx approach to ask for clearance through the phx arsa. At this time the controller responded by asking me for my altitude, destination and requested heading. When I gave him this information, he cleared me accordingly. As I was about to leave the arsa I asked for an amended heading and was given my request. The controller stated that I would be passing into another air traffic area and thus I requested the frequency for that tower. The controller gave me the tower frequency and then stated he had a landline # for me to call once on the ground. I called this # and was told I had entered the phx arsa prior to getting clearance and had also violated the speed in the phx air traffic area. He stated I had come within 100' of an airliner yet I never took evasive action nor did the controller ever give me a traffic call, nor an immediate heading change. If I was this close to traffic, then I'm concerned as to why the controller allowed this to happen, putting me and the others in danger?! I wasn't told that I would be violated, but I feel this incident should be reported to avoid similar incidents in the future. A controller should not clear you through an arsa and then tell you you violated the airspace, speed and also came within 100' of an airliner. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: top speed for airplane is not enough to be able to exceed allowable speed for air traffic area. Since pilot was cleared into arsa at altitude below floor of arsa, it appears no violation occurred. ATC backed away when pilot challenged violations and indicated no action would be taken. Pilot feels he would have seen an airliner within 100'!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POSSIBLE PENETRATION OF ARSA. POSSIBLE EXCESS SPEED IN ATA.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING MY SMA JUST SE OF PHX IN 6/88 AT APPROX XXX LCL TIME AND HAD MADE INITIAL CONTACT WITH PHX APCH TO ASK FOR CLRNC THROUGH THE PHX ARSA. AT THIS TIME THE CTLR RESPONDED BY ASKING ME FOR MY ALT, DEST AND REQUESTED HDG. WHEN I GAVE HIM THIS INFO, HE CLRED ME ACCORDINGLY. AS I WAS ABOUT TO LEAVE THE ARSA I ASKED FOR AN AMENDED HDG AND WAS GIVEN MY REQUEST. THE CTLR STATED THAT I WOULD BE PASSING INTO ANOTHER ATA AND THUS I REQUESTED THE FREQ FOR THAT TWR. THE CTLR GAVE ME THE TWR FREQ AND THEN STATED HE HAD A LANDLINE # FOR ME TO CALL ONCE ON THE GND. I CALLED THIS # AND WAS TOLD I HAD ENTERED THE PHX ARSA PRIOR TO GETTING CLRNC AND HAD ALSO VIOLATED THE SPD IN THE PHX ATA. HE STATED I HAD COME WITHIN 100' OF AN AIRLINER YET I NEVER TOOK EVASIVE ACTION NOR DID THE CTLR EVER GIVE ME A TFC CALL, NOR AN IMMEDIATE HDG CHANGE. IF I WAS THIS CLOSE TO TFC, THEN I'M CONCERNED AS TO WHY THE CTLR ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN, PUTTING ME AND THE OTHERS IN DANGER?! I WASN'T TOLD THAT I WOULD BE VIOLATED, BUT I FEEL THIS INCIDENT SHOULD BE RPTED TO AVOID SIMILAR INCIDENTS IN THE FUTURE. A CTLR SHOULD NOT CLR YOU THROUGH AN ARSA AND THEN TELL YOU YOU VIOLATED THE AIRSPACE, SPD AND ALSO CAME WITHIN 100' OF AN AIRLINER. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: TOP SPD FOR AIRPLANE IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO EXCEED ALLOWABLE SPD FOR ATA. SINCE PLT WAS CLRED INTO ARSA AT ALT BELOW FLOOR OF ARSA, IT APPEARS NO VIOLATION OCCURRED. ATC BACKED AWAY WHEN PLT CHALLENGED VIOLATIONS AND INDICATED NO ACTION WOULD BE TAKEN. PLT FEELS HE WOULD HAVE SEEN AN AIRLINER WITHIN 100'!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.