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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 878772 | 
| Time | |
| Date | 201003 | 
| Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 | 
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | PDX.Airport | 
| State Reference | OR | 
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC | 
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing | 
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 | 
| Flight Phase | Landing | 
| Route In Use | Visual Approach | 
| Flight Plan | IFR | 
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Pilot Not Flying Captain  | 
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) | 
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 110 Flight Crew Total 20000 Flight Crew Type 1000  | 
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy  | 
Narrative:
We got cleared for a visual to runway 10L. When turning final; the controller stated we should have flown over the confluence of the rivers and be at 2;500 feet. I responded we were cleared for the visual; not the columbia charted visual. The controller stated 'that is on the ATIS'. We looked again at the ATIS. It said ' expect columbia visual approach'. We also looked again at the charted visual; and nowhere does it state a mandatory altitude; it lists a 'recommended 2;500 feet'. Being cleared for a visual; does not mean cleared for a specific charted visual unless specifically stated in the clearance. Both pilots heard 'cleared for visual to 10L' and that is precisely what I read back.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757-200 Captain and the Approach Controller disagreed as to the meaning of 'cleared for a visual approach' when the ATIS advised to expect a specific charted visual approach.
Narrative: We got cleared for a visual to Runway 10L. When turning final; the Controller stated we should have flown over the confluence of the rivers and be at 2;500 feet. I responded we were cleared for the visual; not the Columbia charted visual. The Controller stated 'That is on the ATIS'. We looked again at the ATIS. It said ' Expect Columbia visual approach'. We also looked again at the charted visual; and nowhere does it state a mandatory altitude; it lists a 'recommended 2;500 feet'. Being cleared for a visual; does NOT mean cleared for a specific charted visual unless specifically stated in the clearance. Both pilots heard 'cleared for visual to 10L' and that is precisely what I read back.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.