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An air carrier captain advised msp was using 'circles' that are not depicted on airport charts as taxi waypoints in clearances.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 871106 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201001 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | MSP.Airport |
| State Reference | MN |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Total 20000 Flight Crew Type 12000 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
In msp; ground control is using 'circles' as points of reference. For example; 'taxi down to circle X then do a 180. ' The problem is the 'circles' don't exist on any taxi charts and are reportedly a local system used to manage traffic on a congested ramp area. There are red circles with numbers painted on them; but it does you little good if you're not familiar with them. All ATC 'spots' or call points should be clearly denoted on the charts. Until they're formally published; ATC should refrain from using the 'circle' references.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An Air Carrier Captain advised MSP was using 'circles' that are not depicted on airport charts as taxi waypoints in clearances.
Narrative: In MSP; Ground Control is using 'circles' as points of reference. For example; 'Taxi down to circle X then do a 180. ' The problem is the 'circles' don't exist on any taxi charts and are reportedly a local system used to manage traffic on a congested ramp area. There are red circles with numbers painted on them; but it does you little good if you're not familiar with them. All ATC 'spots' or call points should be clearly denoted on the charts. Until they're formally published; ATC should refrain from using the 'circle' references.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.