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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : cri|
airport : jfk
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 7000|
msl bound upper : 7000
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : n90|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng|
|Flight Phase||climbout : intermediate altitude|
|Route In Use||departure sid : sid|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 185|
flight time total : 9020
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : commercial|
pilot : instrument
|Anomaly||non adherence : published procedure|
other spatial deviation
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||controller : issued new clearance|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
The flight from jfk to bwi was cleared as filed with a kennedy 1 departure and a breezy point climb. The flight was filed direct rbv, rbv 274, mxe 056, mxe V378, balance direct bwi. Upon departure we started our left turn to intercept the canarsie 233 degree right south of canarsie as described in the departure chart. Departure control then advised us to go direct canarsie, which we did. Since he changed the departure clearance on us by telling us to go direct canarsie, there is nothing on the departure plate that indicates any particular right to be flown out of canarsie for the breezy point climb, so we turned direct rbv as our clearance stated. We were questioned by the controller about our heading and then issued a new heading and given a frequency change. The safety problems associated with this is the breezy point climb needs to be defined more clearly so that the radials of canarsie are labeled on the chart and a fix that the right will be flown to is given in case of radio failure. As it is now, it would be a track off canarsie into infinity, which is not in my opinion a legal clearance. If you lost radio communications in this instance you would have no fix to fly to before beginning a turn on course. I hope that you can point this out and get it corrected. If so, please notify me of your intentions. Thanks. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: the reporter realized that he had misread the SID, but did not realize it until he was rested the following day. He stands by his claim that the SID narrative is too difficult to understand. He feels that it could be better written so that the tired pilot with little time to prepare for takeoff would have no trouble knowing exactly what is expected of him.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG DID NOT FOLLOW PUBLISHED SID.
Narrative: THE FLT FROM JFK TO BWI WAS CLRED AS FILED WITH A KENNEDY 1 DEP AND A BREEZY POINT CLB. THE FLT WAS FILED DIRECT RBV, RBV 274, MXE 056, MXE V378, BAL DIRECT BWI. UPON DEP WE STARTED OUR LEFT TURN TO INTERCEPT THE CANARSIE 233 DEG R S OF CANARSIE AS DESCRIBED IN THE DEP CHART. DEP CTL THEN ADVISED US TO GO DIRECT CANARSIE, WHICH WE DID. SINCE HE CHANGED THE DEP CLRNC ON US BY TELLING US TO GO DIRECT CANARSIE, THERE IS NOTHING ON THE DEP PLATE THAT INDICATES ANY PARTICULAR R TO BE FLOWN OUT OF CANARSIE FOR THE BREEZY POINT CLB, SO WE TURNED DIRECT RBV AS OUR CLRNC STATED. WE WERE QUESTIONED BY THE CTLR ABOUT OUR HDG AND THEN ISSUED A NEW HDG AND GIVEN A FREQ CHANGE. THE SAFETY PROBS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS IS THE BREEZY POINT CLB NEEDS TO BE DEFINED MORE CLEARLY SO THAT THE RADIALS OF CANARSIE ARE LABELED ON THE CHART AND A FIX THAT THE R WILL BE FLOWN TO IS GIVEN IN CASE OF RADIO FAILURE. AS IT IS NOW, IT WOULD BE A TRACK OFF CANARSIE INTO INFINITY, WHICH IS NOT IN MY OPINION A LEGAL CLRNC. IF YOU LOST RADIO COMS IN THIS INSTANCE YOU WOULD HAVE NO FIX TO FLY TO BEFORE BEGINNING A TURN ON COURSE. I HOPE THAT YOU CAN POINT THIS OUT AND GET IT CORRECTED. IF SO, PLEASE NOTIFY ME OF YOUR INTENTIONS. THANKS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: THE RPTR REALIZED THAT HE HAD MISREAD THE SID, BUT DID NOT REALIZE IT UNTIL HE WAS RESTED THE FOLLOWING DAY. HE STANDS BY HIS CLAIM THAT THE SID NARRATIVE IS TOO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. HE FEELS THAT IT COULD BE BETTER WRITTEN SO THAT THE TIRED PLT WITH LITTLE TIME TO PREPARE FOR TKOF WOULD HAVE NO TROUBLE KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT IS EXPECTED OF HIM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.