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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 843796 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200907 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | PIT.Airport |
| State Reference | PA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 23 Flight Crew Total 1600 Flight Crew Type 800 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Clearance Ground Incursion Runway |
Narrative:
Descriptionnormal start and taxi out of the gate in pit. Was assigned by ground to taxi to 28C via taxiways C; north and east to 28C. Normal taxi out; before take-off check was completed just after turning onto east from north. Captain continued to taxi at a slow pace towards 28C and approached a hold short line for 28C labeled as 28 approach. I informed the captain we should hold short of 28C at that point and the captain brought the aircraft to a stop; possibly just over the hold short line labeled 28C approach. Both the captain and I were confused by the labeling of the airport signage that indicated that was the ILS hold short for the 28C approach; but did not see another hold short line for the runway on taxiway east. Several seconds after we stopped; tower issued us a takeoff clearance making no mention of having crossed the hold short line. We proceed down the rest of east onto 28C and completed a normal takeoff. The captain and I were confused by the airport signage indicating that there was an ILS critical area but no other hold short lines. Since the weather was VFR the captain and I assumed that there was another hold short line for the runway. After not seeing another one; I immediately told the captain to stop the aircraft. Contributing to this confusion was the lack of labeling on the airport diagram; not indicating an ILS critical area for 28C.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CRJ crew described the difficulty determining if the 28C APCH sign on Taxiway E was only for instrument approach protection or if it was meant as the hold short line for Runway 28C.
Narrative: DescriptionNormal start and taxi out of the gate in PIT. Was assigned by ground to taxi to 28C via Taxiways C; N and E to 28C. Normal taxi out; Before Take-Off Check was completed just after turning onto E from N. Captain continued to taxi at a slow pace towards 28C and approached a hold short line for 28C labeled as 28 APCH. I informed the captain we should hold short of 28C at that point and the Captain brought the aircraft to a stop; possibly just over the hold short line labeled 28C APCH. Both the Captain and I were confused by the labeling of the airport signage that indicated that was the ILS Hold Short for the 28C approach; but did not see another hold short line for the runway on Taxiway E. Several seconds after we stopped; tower issued us a takeoff clearance making no mention of having crossed the hold short line. We proceed down the rest of E onto 28C and completed a normal takeoff. The Captain and I were confused by the airport signage indicating that there was an ILS critical area but no other hold short lines. Since the weather was VFR the Captain and I assumed that there was another hold short line for the runway. After not seeing another one; I immediately told the captain to stop the aircraft. Contributing to this confusion was the lack of labeling on the airport diagram; not indicating an ILS critical area for 28C.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.