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Air carrier captain complained about ATC handling by both approach control and tower while on visual approach.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 83807 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198803 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sfo |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 1000 agl bound upper : 1800 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : oak tower : sfo |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 10000 |
| ASRS Report | 83807 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were cleared for a quiet bridge approach to sfo runway 28R. The frequency was overcongested. The controller had more to do than he could handle. One aircraft was issued a clearance to maintain visual sep with 2 aircraft and continue. One small transport simply could not see traffic that the controller wanted him desperately to see. It was a madhouse. Approaching the bridge, we noticed we were going to run over an small transport if we didn't slow in a hurry. We were never issued a follow or maintain visual sep clearance. Over the high span I was able to get into the frequency and ask if he wanted us to contact the tower. The answer was yes. The tower frequency was another madhouse. The controller was talking faster than I had ever heard a controller talk before, and I've been to ord a lot. About 1800' I got a clearance to land. At 1000' I noticed an light transport angling toward us from the left. There was some talk on the frequency about an light transport landing on runway 28R. At 500' I asked the controller what was the intention of the light transport on our left. She said, 'he is landing on 28L.' we were never issued a visual sep clearance with the light transport, nor were we advised of his presence. Someone should pull the tapes of 134.6 and 120.5 and listen to what goes on at sfo, 3/tue/88, XA45 to XB45 PST.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CAPT COMPLAINED ABOUT ATC HANDLING BY BOTH APCH CTL AND TWR WHILE ON VISUAL APCH.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR A QUIET BRIDGE APCH TO SFO RWY 28R. THE FREQ WAS OVERCONGESTED. THE CTLR HAD MORE TO DO THAN HE COULD HANDLE. ONE ACFT WAS ISSUED A CLRNC TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEP WITH 2 ACFT AND CONTINUE. ONE SMT SIMPLY COULD NOT SEE TFC THAT THE CTLR WANTED HIM DESPERATELY TO SEE. IT WAS A MADHOUSE. APCHING THE BRIDGE, WE NOTICED WE WERE GOING TO RUN OVER AN SMT IF WE DIDN'T SLOW IN A HURRY. WE WERE NEVER ISSUED A FOLLOW OR MAINTAIN VISUAL SEP CLRNC. OVER THE HIGH SPAN I WAS ABLE TO GET INTO THE FREQ AND ASK IF HE WANTED US TO CONTACT THE TWR. THE ANSWER WAS YES. THE TWR FREQ WAS ANOTHER MADHOUSE. THE CTLR WAS TALKING FASTER THAN I HAD EVER HEARD A CTLR TALK BEFORE, AND I'VE BEEN TO ORD A LOT. ABOUT 1800' I GOT A CLRNC TO LAND. AT 1000' I NOTICED AN LTT ANGLING TOWARD US FROM THE LEFT. THERE WAS SOME TALK ON THE FREQ ABOUT AN LTT LNDG ON RWY 28R. AT 500' I ASKED THE CTLR WHAT WAS THE INTENTION OF THE LTT ON OUR LEFT. SHE SAID, 'HE IS LNDG ON 28L.' WE WERE NEVER ISSUED A VISUAL SEP CLRNC WITH THE LTT, NOR WERE WE ADVISED OF HIS PRESENCE. SOMEONE SHOULD PULL THE TAPES OF 134.6 AND 120.5 AND LISTEN TO WHAT GOES ON AT SFO, 3/TUE/88, XA45 TO XB45 PST.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.