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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : sjc|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 8000|
msl bound upper : 12000
|Controlling Facilities||artcc : zoa|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng|
|Flight Phase||descent other|
|Route In Use||arrival other|
enroute : on vectors
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 180|
flight time total : 14000
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Anomaly||altitude deviation : overshoot|
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : detected after the fact|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
faa : investigated
|Primary Problem||ATC Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Operational Deviation|
Flying as first officer with captain handling radio. On descent for sjc, cleared to cross sns at or below 190 descend to 12000. Changed sector frequency within oak center, captain repeated current descent clearance and restriction. As I recall we were already near 200 and about 20 DME south of sns. We both understood oak center to clear us to turn right 10 degree for vector to sjc localizer and maintain 8000'. I reached, with captain watching, and reset altitude alert from 12000 to 8000. I continued using roughly the usual clearance parameters sjc 55D at 12000 and sjc 25D at 8000. Slowing at roughly 10000' oak center asked altitude. Captain reported 'slowing at 10 for 8.' nothing further from oak center until captain asked if they had lost our altitude reporting. Oak center said no but we had been cleared tp 12000. Captain said we heard and acknowledged 8000. Nothing further from oak center until captain prompted, asking where they wanted us now. Cleared to 8000, we continued. It was as if incident disrupted further handling even into bay approach because further descents were all later than normal profile. This caused us to be high on profile all the way to sjc. (Oak center later verified controller error and counseled him). Callback conversation revealed the following additional information: the captain of the flight called the center after landing. He was told that an investigation had been made by the controller. The controller had meant to stop their descent at 12000, but had mistakenly said 8000. No traffic conflict or loss of sep resulted.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CTLR MADE MISTAKE WHEN GIVING CLRNC TO DESCEND.
Narrative: FLYING AS F/O WITH CAPT HANDLING RADIO. ON DESCENT FOR SJC, CLRED TO CROSS SNS AT OR BELOW 190 DESCEND TO 12000. CHANGED SECTOR FREQ WITHIN OAK CENTER, CAPT REPEATED CURRENT DESCENT CLRNC AND RESTRICTION. AS I RECALL WE WERE ALREADY NEAR 200 AND ABOUT 20 DME SOUTH OF SNS. WE BOTH UNDERSTOOD OAK CTR TO CLR US TO TURN RIGHT 10 DEG FOR VECTOR TO SJC LOC AND MAINTAIN 8000'. I REACHED, WITH CAPT WATCHING, AND RESET ALT ALERT FROM 12000 TO 8000. I CONTINUED USING ROUGHLY THE USUAL CLRNC PARAMETERS SJC 55D AT 12000 AND SJC 25D AT 8000. SLOWING AT ROUGHLY 10000' OAK CTR ASKED ALT. CAPT REPORTED 'SLOWING AT 10 FOR 8.' NOTHING FURTHER FROM OAK CTR UNTIL CAPT ASKED IF THEY HAD LOST OUR ALT REPORTING. OAK CTR SAID NO BUT WE HAD BEEN CLRED TP 12000. CAPT SAID WE HEARD AND ACKNOWLEDGED 8000. NOTHING FURTHER FROM OAK CTR UNTIL CAPT PROMPTED, ASKING WHERE THEY WANTED US NOW. CLRED TO 8000, WE CONTINUED. IT WAS AS IF INCIDENT DISRUPTED FURTHER HANDLING EVEN INTO BAY APPROACH BECAUSE FURTHER DESCENTS WERE ALL LATER THAN NORMAL PROFILE. THIS CAUSED US TO BE HIGH ON PROFILE ALL THE WAY TO SJC. (OAK CTR LATER VERIFIED CTLR ERROR AND COUNSELED HIM). CALLBACK CONVERSATION REVEALED THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL INFO: THE CAPT OF THE FLT CALLED THE CENTER AFTER LANDING. HE WAS TOLD THAT AN INVESTIGATION HAD BEEN MADE BY THE CTLR. THE CTLR HAD MEANT TO STOP THEIR DESCENT AT 12000, BUT HAD MISTAKENLY SAID 8000. NO TFC CONFLICT OR LOSS OF SEP RESULTED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.