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Falcon 900 first officer PNF reports exceeding the 1500 foot initial level off altitude on the teb 5 SID despite thorough briefing and 1500 ft in the altitude window.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 803188 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200809 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1750 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Falcon 900 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : teb |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 9800 flight time type : 175 |
| ASRS Report | 803188 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure Chart Or Publication |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Departure off of runway 24; assigned teb 5 SID. Captain climbed to 1750 ft altitude before reaching 4.5 DME off of the teb VOR. We had briefed it a few times; and he asked right before take off. I read it verbatim off the departure plate. I had selected 1500 ft in the altitude preselect window and explained; showed the departure requirements a couple times. The DME for teb was selected on my side. Equipment we were flying was a falcon 900EASY; which can be not so easy in the avionics side sometimes. It can keep the non flying pilot busy depending on what the situation is; and I was. After departure the captain asked me to select 2000 ft on the altitude window. I was looking for my distance from teb; and hadn't changed the altitude alerter; and he was already climbing. Before I could verify the distance; departure was asking us what our altitude was. I told the captain to return to 1500 ft and then I responded to ATC. We didn't go over 1750 ft; and acknowledged our altitude excursion when asked. He said there was traffic off newark that we were getting close to. We had no traffic alerts or warnings that occurred. I think some of the confusion may have came from the turn to 280 degrees that is supposed to happen as well after reaching 1500 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FALCON 900 FO PNF RPTS EXCEEDING THE 1500 FOOT INITIAL LEVEL OFF ALTITUDE ON THE TEB 5 SID DESPITE THOROUGH BRIEFING AND 1500 FT IN THE ALTITUDE WINDOW.
Narrative: DEP OFF OF RWY 24; ASSIGNED TEB 5 SID. CAPT CLBED TO 1750 FT ALTITUDE BEFORE REACHING 4.5 DME OFF OF THE TEB VOR. WE HAD BRIEFED IT A FEW TIMES; AND HE ASKED RIGHT BEFORE TAKE OFF. I READ IT VERBATIM OFF THE DEP PLATE. I HAD SELECTED 1500 FT IN THE ALTITUDE PRESELECT WINDOW AND EXPLAINED; SHOWED THE DEP REQUIREMENTS A COUPLE TIMES. THE DME FOR TEB WAS SELECTED ON MY SIDE. EQUIPMENT WE WERE FLYING WAS A FALCON 900EASY; WHICH CAN BE NOT SO EASY IN THE AVIONICS SIDE SOMETIMES. IT CAN KEEP THE NON FLYING PLT BUSY DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SITUATION IS; AND I WAS. AFTER DEP THE CAPT ASKED ME TO SELECT 2000 FT ON THE ALT WINDOW. I WAS LOOKING FOR MY DISTANCE FROM TEB; AND HADN'T CHANGED THE ALTITUDE ALERTER; AND HE WAS ALREADY CLBING. BEFORE I COULD VERIFY THE DISTANCE; DEP WAS ASKING US WHAT OUR ALTITUDE WAS. I TOLD THE CAPT TO RETURN TO 1500 FT AND THEN I RESPONDED TO ATC. WE DIDN'T GO OVER 1750 FT; AND ACKNOWLEDGED OUR ALTITUDE EXCURSION WHEN ASKED. HE SAID THERE WAS TRAFFIC OFF NEWARK THAT WE WERE GETTING CLOSE TO. WE HAD NO TFC ALERTS OR WARNINGS THAT OCCURRED. I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSION MAY HAVE CAME FROM THE TURN TO 280 DEGS THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AS WELL AFTER REACHING 1500 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.