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B747-200 captain suggests N90 approach control supervisors fail to utilize appropriate approaches for existing weather conditions.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 794107 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200807 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc tower : jfk.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B747-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1700 |
| ASRS Report | 794107 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : jfk.tower |
Narrative:
The ATIS at kennedy was recorded at XC30. Reported ceiling 700 ft overcast; approach in use VOR runway 22L. The WX was significantly worse than that. ATIS was updated to ceiling 500 ft broken still using VOR runway 22L approach. I instructed the first officer to inform approach that I would not accept the VOR runway 22L; MDA is 460 ft. A non-precision approach in marginal WX in a B747; to a short runway at night. Not safe. At the last moment the approach changed to the ILS runway 22L. The supervisor on duty should be removed from his position immediately -- actual WX was ceiling indefinite 200 ft variable 100 ft RVR 6000 ft. Kennedy routinely runs marginal apches in marginal WX to critical field length runways. Most of the aircraft are wide body heavy jets!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B747-200 CAPTAIN SUGGESTS N90 APCH CTL SUPERVISORS FAIL TO UTILIZE APPROPRIATE APPROACHES FOR EXISTING WEATHER CONDITIONS.
Narrative: THE ATIS AT KENNEDY WAS RECORDED AT XC30. REPORTED CEILING 700 FT OVERCAST; APCH IN USE VOR RWY 22L. THE WX WAS SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE THAN THAT. ATIS WAS UPDATED TO CEILING 500 FT BKN STILL USING VOR RWY 22L APCH. I INSTRUCTED THE FO TO INFORM APCH THAT I WOULD NOT ACCEPT THE VOR RWY 22L; MDA IS 460 FT. A NON-PRECISION APCH IN MARGINAL WX IN A B747; TO A SHORT RWY AT NIGHT. NOT SAFE. AT THE LAST MOMENT THE APCH CHANGED TO THE ILS RWY 22L. THE SUPVR ON DUTY SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM HIS POSITION IMMEDIATELY -- ACTUAL WX WAS CEILING INDEFINITE 200 FT VARIABLE 100 FT RVR 6000 FT. KENNEDY ROUTINELY RUNS MARGINAL APCHES IN MARGINAL WX TO CRITICAL FIELD LENGTH RWYS. MOST OF THE ACFT ARE WIDE BODY HEAVY JETS!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.