A small jet descending into vny has a near midair collision with an aircraft at 5000 ft as it departed VFR climbing. The VFR traffic reported the jet in sight but did not avoid it.

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Attributes
ACN	783237
Time
Date	200804
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : vny.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 5000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon tower : zzzz.tower
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : vacating altitude
Route In Use	arrival : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Rockwell Aero Commander Twin Turboprop Undifferentiated or Other
Flight Phase	climbout : vacating altitude
Person 1
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 14500
ASRS Report	783237
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : approach
Events
Anomaly	conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Miss Distance	horizontal : 100 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

While descending in to vny; we were cleared to 5000 ft MSL heading west. While level; a turbo commander departed vny and made a left turn directly in front of us northbound. He told socal that he was climbing to 8500 ft VFR. I realized we were close and pulled the TCAS display up to look for him. As I did; the TCAS gave us a TA. He was about 400 ft below us and climbing. Socal told the commander about us and at the same time we got an RA commanding a climb. We began our climb and I told socal we were climbing. Socal said the commander had us in sight. I told him that it did not matter; we had climbed because of the TCAS alert. The commander passed within 100 ft of us according to the TCAS. We descended to 5000 ft and I reported vny in sight and we were promptly cleared for the visual approach and handed off to vny tower. I don't believe that vny tower was told about the VFR departure. In my opinion VFR should not be allowed in areas where there is as much traffic as the los angeles area. It's just too dangerous!

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A SMALL JET DESCENDING INTO VNY HAS A NMAC WITH AN ACFT AT 5000 FT AS IT DEPARTED VFR CLBING. THE VFR TFC REPORTED THE JET IN SIGHT BUT DID NOT AVOID IT.

Narrative: WHILE DSNDING IN TO VNY; WE WERE CLRED TO 5000 FT MSL HEADING W. WHILE LEVEL; A TURBO COMMANDER DEPARTED VNY AND MADE A L TURN DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF US NBOUND. HE TOLD SOCAL THAT HE WAS CLBING TO 8500 FT VFR. I REALIZED WE WERE CLOSE AND PULLED THE TCAS DISPLAY UP TO LOOK FOR HIM. AS I DID; THE TCAS GAVE US A TA. HE WAS ABOUT 400 FT BELOW US AND CLBING. SOCAL TOLD THE COMMANDER ABOUT US AND AT THE SAME TIME WE GOT AN RA COMMANDING A CLB. WE BEGAN OUR CLB AND I TOLD SOCAL WE WERE CLBING. SOCAL SAID THE COMMANDER HAD US IN SIGHT. I TOLD HIM THAT IT DID NOT MATTER; WE HAD CLBED BECAUSE OF THE TCAS ALERT. THE COMMANDER PASSED WITHIN 100 FT OF US ACCORDING TO THE TCAS. WE DSNDED TO 5000 FT AND I RPTED VNY IN SIGHT AND WE WERE PROMPTLY CLRED FOR THE VISUAL APCH AND HANDED OFF TO VNY TWR. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT VNY TWR WAS TOLD ABOUT THE VFR DEP. IN MY OPINION VFR SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN AREAS WHERE THERE IS AS MUCH TFC AS THE LOS ANGELES AREA. IT'S JUST TOO DANGEROUS!

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.