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Departure controller asks air carrier if they are proceeding to alcoa while passing normm; then clears flight direct.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 779231 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200803 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sfo.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : nct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : gapp |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1500 |
| ASRS Report | 779231 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Our filed route was sfo normm alcoa buten/ZZZZ. Our revised segment on the pre departure clearance was GAPP3 sfo alcoa. The SID states; expect vectors to filed route after passing normm. On departure passing normm controller asked us if we were turning towards alcoa. We stated no; we were waiting for our vector per the SID. Controller then cleared us to alcoa.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DEP CTLR ASKS ACR IF THEY ARE PROCEEDING TO ALCOA WHILE PASSING NORMM; THEN CLRS FLT DIRECT.
Narrative: OUR FILED RTE WAS SFO NORMM ALCOA BUTEN/ZZZZ. OUR REVISED SEGMENT ON THE PDC WAS GAPP3 SFO ALCOA. THE SID STATES; EXPECT VECTORS TO FILED RTE AFTER PASSING NORMM. ON DEP PASSING NORMM CTLR ASKED US IF WE WERE TURNING TOWARDS ALCOA. WE STATED NO; WE WERE WAITING FOR OUR VECTOR PER THE SID. CTLR THEN CLRED US TO ALCOA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.