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|Local Time Of Day||1801 To 2400|
|Locale Reference||airport : dal.airport|
|Altitude||agl single value : 0|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Commercial Fixed Wing|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 121|
|Flight Phase||ground : taxi|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 150|
flight time total : 11000
flight time type : 1300
|Anomaly||incursion : runway|
non adherence : clearance
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : detected after the fact|
|Problem Areas||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Airport||markings : dal.airport|
signage : dal.airport
When taxiing on taxiway C to runway 13R saw new hold short line as I passed over it. As soon as I realized it I stopped aircraft. Estimate nose gear was just past line. At end of runway is hold block and I can't figure out how you would go into hold block without crossing new hold short line. It was dark and just after I stopped we were given takeoff clearance; so didn't have time to study situation (also dark and hard to see). Runway 13R sign also was not located at hold line but further toward runway. Jumpseater said he was about to say something to me about new hold line but then saw I had stopped. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter stated that although he does not operate into dal on a regular basis; he recalls the hold short line placed just prior to entering the runway; as with most airports. The cockpit jumpseater indicated that the line had been relocated 'a few months ago' and is often missed by taxiing aircraft. The reporter stated that the line is now located south of the large holding pad for runway 13R; and he believes the illuminated runway sign is placed at an angle rather than directly facing approaching traffic on taxiway 'C.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 CAPT INADVERTENTLY TAXIED PAST RELOCATED HOLD SHORT LINE IN DAL.
Narrative: WHEN TAXIING ON TXWY C TO RWY 13R SAW NEW HOLD SHORT LINE AS I PASSED OVER IT. AS SOON AS I REALIZED IT I STOPPED ACFT. ESTIMATE NOSE GEAR WAS JUST PAST LINE. AT END OF RWY IS HOLD BLOCK AND I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WOULD GO INTO HOLD BLOCK WITHOUT XING NEW HOLD SHORT LINE. IT WAS DARK AND JUST AFTER I STOPPED WE WERE GIVEN TKOF CLRNC; SO DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO STUDY SITUATION (ALSO DARK AND HARD TO SEE). RWY 13R SIGN ALSO WAS NOT LOCATED AT HOLD LINE BUT FURTHER TOWARD RWY. JUMPSEATER SAID HE WAS ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING TO ME ABOUT NEW HOLD LINE BUT THEN SAW I HAD STOPPED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE REPORTER STATED THAT ALTHOUGH HE DOES NOT OPERATE INTO DAL ON A REGULAR BASIS; HE RECALLS THE HOLD SHORT LINE PLACED JUST PRIOR TO ENTERING THE RWY; AS WITH MOST ARPTS. THE COCKPIT JUMPSEATER INDICATED THAT THE LINE HAD BEEN RELOCATED 'A FEW MONTHS AGO' AND IS OFTEN MISSED BY TAXIING ACFT. THE REPORTER STATED THAT THE LINE IS NOW LOCATED SOUTH OF THE LARGE HOLDING PAD FOR RWY 13R; AND HE BELIEVES THE ILLUMINATED RWY SIGN IS PLACED AT AN ANGLE RATHER THAN DIRECTLY FACING APPROACHING TFC ON TXWY 'C.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.