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Crj climbing out of sav with ZTL experienced TCAS RA at 17000 with unreported VFR traffic; commenting controller seemed disinterested;
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 765052 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200712 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sav.airport |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 17000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx.artcc |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 151 flight time total : 7484 flight time type : 6235 |
| ASRS Report | 765052 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
We received collision avoidance while climbing out from sav. We were approximately 16000-17000 ft climbing. We were talking to either atl or ZJX (120.85). While climbing we noticed on TCAS that a target was becoming a factor. We expected atl to give us instructions; however; we received none. Our alertness became heightened as the target turned yellow and progressed closer. We prepared ourselves. The target turned red; and instructed us to descend. We did so. It was the closest I have seen yet. We notified ATC of our deviation. He was not aware and seemed disinterested. He replied 'yeah; ok he is squawking VFR. I have no information on him.' but remember we are IFR. He was either a sabre liner or cessna. After he gave us a frequency change; I continued to listen on that frequency; and he said jokingly to the aircraft; 'did you get a good look at that regional jet?' I had a flight attendant with a cart out and people on board that we nearly levitated to avoid that plane.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CRJ CLIMBING OUT OF SAV WITH ZTL EXPERIENCED TCAS RA AT 17000 WITH UNREPORTED VFR TFC; COMMENTING CTLR SEEMED DISINTERESTED;
Narrative: WE RECEIVED COLLISION AVOIDANCE WHILE CLBING OUT FROM SAV. WE WERE APPROX 16000-17000 FT CLBING. WE WERE TALKING TO EITHER ATL OR ZJX (120.85). WHILE CLBING WE NOTICED ON TCAS THAT A TARGET WAS BECOMING A FACTOR. WE EXPECTED ATL TO GIVE US INSTRUCTIONS; HOWEVER; WE RECEIVED NONE. OUR ALERTNESS BECAME HEIGHTENED AS THE TARGET TURNED YELLOW AND PROGRESSED CLOSER. WE PREPARED OURSELVES. THE TARGET TURNED RED; AND INSTRUCTED US TO DSND. WE DID SO. IT WAS THE CLOSEST I HAVE SEEN YET. WE NOTIFIED ATC OF OUR DEV. HE WAS NOT AWARE AND SEEMED DISINTERESTED. HE REPLIED 'YEAH; OK HE IS SQUAWKING VFR. I HAVE NO INFO ON HIM.' BUT REMEMBER WE ARE IFR. HE WAS EITHER A SABRE LINER OR CESSNA. AFTER HE GAVE US A FREQ CHANGE; I CONTINUED TO LISTEN ON THAT FREQ; AND HE SAID JOKINGLY TO THE ACFT; 'DID YOU GET A GOOD LOOK AT THAT REGIONAL JET?' I HAD A FLT ATTENDANT WITH A CART OUT AND PEOPLE ON BOARD THAT WE NEARLY LEVITATED TO AVOID THAT PLANE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.