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B757 captain reports confusion over location of runway 8R hold line on taxiway Q at mia and ensuing runway incursion.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 758077 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200710 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mia.airport |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1100 |
| ASRS Report | 758077 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| Airport | lighting : mia.airport markings : mia.airport |
Narrative:
Taxiing out on taxiway P to takeoff on runway 8R at mia we were behind an aircraft which was taxiing very slowly waiting for a gate. We were changed to taxiway Q which is not a normal taxi route. Approaching the runway at runway 8R there is an unusual hold short line which is marked with a red box on taxiway P but not on taxiway Q. In addition; the normal hold short line for runway 8R is very close to the second hold short line on taxiway P; but this is not the case on taxiway Q and there are no special lights at the taxi out hold short line. This leads to a non-standard and confusing confign. As a result I taxied past the taxi out hold short line to the 'normal' runway 8R hold short line. There was no one landing on runway 12 or runway 8R so I believe there was no conflict. I believe more taxiway markings and special lights are needed for this non-standard confign.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 CAPTAIN REPORTS CONFUSION OVER LOCATION OF RWY 8R HOLD LINE ON TXWY Q AT MIA AND ENSUING RWY INCURSION.
Narrative: TAXIING OUT ON TXWY P TO TKOF ON RWY 8R AT MIA WE WERE BEHIND AN ACFT WHICH WAS TAXIING VERY SLOWLY WAITING FOR A GATE. WE WERE CHANGED TO TXWY Q WHICH IS NOT A NORMAL TAXI RTE. APCHING THE RWY AT RWY 8R THERE IS AN UNUSUAL HOLD SHORT LINE WHICH IS MARKED WITH A RED BOX ON TXWY P BUT NOT ON TXWY Q. IN ADDITION; THE NORMAL HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 8R IS VERY CLOSE TO THE SECOND HOLD SHORT LINE ON TXWY P; BUT THIS IS NOT THE CASE ON TXWY Q AND THERE ARE NO SPECIAL LIGHTS AT THE TAXI OUT HOLD SHORT LINE. THIS LEADS TO A NON-STANDARD AND CONFUSING CONFIGN. AS A RESULT I TAXIED PAST THE TAXI OUT HOLD SHORT LINE TO THE 'NORMAL' RWY 8R HOLD SHORT LINE. THERE WAS NO ONE LNDG ON RWY 12 OR RWY 8R SO I BELIEVE THERE WAS NO CONFLICT. I BELIEVE MORE TXWY MARKINGS AND SPECIAL LIGHTS ARE NEEDED FOR THIS NON-STANDARD CONFIGN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.