Emb-145 flight crew has a runway incursion at mke.

Attributes
ACN	725269
Time
Date	200701
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : mke.airport
State Reference	WI
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : zzz.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	725269
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial
ASRS Report	725716
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor Airport
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

We were asked for an immediate takeoff without delay from runway 25L; after complying and right after takeoff ATC controller called us and asked us to call when we arrived at destination for a possible pilot deviation. When we arrived I called the number and spoke with a mr X who he said was the supervisor on duty at the time; he stated that when we were given taxi instructions and expect runway 25L for departure; we had failed to hold short of runway 25L. Me and my first officer had looked at our charts and were aware of the hot spot in the vicinity; as we taxied along to the runway; we moved along a very dark taxiway and slowly we approached toward the end as I stopped the aircraft; we had runway 13/31 on the left and runway 25L on the right. The controller stated that the area is well marked; and also well illuminated for any pilot to see it. Me and my first officer both concurred that we never even saw what resembles a hold short line; and we totally disagree with the controller as to the area being illuminated and surely not well marked.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: EMB-145 FLT CREW HAS A RWY INCURSION AT MKE.

Narrative: WE WERE ASKED FOR AN IMMEDIATE TKOF WITHOUT DELAY FROM RWY 25L; AFTER COMPLYING AND RIGHT AFTER TKOF ATC CTLR CALLED US AND ASKED US TO CALL WHEN WE ARRIVED AT DEST FOR A POSSIBLE PLTDEV. WHEN WE ARRIVED I CALLED THE NUMBER AND SPOKE WITH A MR X WHO HE SAID WAS THE SUPVR ON DUTY AT THE TIME; HE STATED THAT WHEN WE WERE GIVEN TAXI INSTRUCTIONS AND EXPECT RWY 25L FOR DEP; WE HAD FAILED TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25L. ME AND MY FO HAD LOOKED AT OUR CHARTS AND WERE AWARE OF THE HOT SPOT IN THE VICINITY; AS WE TAXIED ALONG TO THE RWY; WE MOVED ALONG A VERY DARK TXWY AND SLOWLY WE APCHED TOWARD THE END AS I STOPPED THE ACFT; WE HAD RWY 13/31 ON THE L AND RWY 25L ON THE R. THE CTLR STATED THAT THE AREA IS WELL MARKED; AND ALSO WELL ILLUMINATED FOR ANY PLT TO SEE IT. ME AND MY FO BOTH CONCURRED THAT WE NEVER EVEN SAW WHAT RESEMBLES A HOLD SHORT LINE; AND WE TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THE CTLR AS TO THE AREA BEING ILLUMINATED AND SURELY NOT WELL MARKED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.